When is the release date?
Can you guys try to get Demetrius Andrade and the charlos Jermell Jermall Erickson Lubin Daniel Jacobs on Terence Crawford on the roster
Don’t forget lomachenko
Please include female boxers. It is 2019.
A league/tournament multiplayer mode would be greatly appreciated.
I would like to see the legends and the Modern day boxers like Gervonta , Vergil , Gamboa, Canelo, GGG , PAC man , Danny Garcia , Mikey Garcia , basically the boxers who are making noise.
We are in early development and aim for 2019.
Can you try get David tea on there?
Really good news. I’m beyond excited.
I think the roster actually looks really solid so far. It doesn’t have any big name champions but it isn’t a trash roster. A lot of fun fights are already in.
Who really cares anyway, a fighter share is a must.
I worry I’m too optimistic after following gridiron champions for what feels like an eternity with no actual development. A release with a year or so would be amazing. We desperately need a boxing sim.
Thanks guys, I really hope this works out.
I'm sure they wont be enough time or whatever the reason may be, but will there be a place to download/create fighters so that we may have a full roster?
Can you try and get ricky burns liam smith and ricky hatton
Will you have a career mode? In which you can create your own fighter? Fight for world titles? Maybe even some smaller titles on your way up? Also if you could go up or down weight divisions depending on your height and frame that would be awesome. Always loved play fight night champion where the belts you win were actually visible!! Goodluck with the game I hope to see some of what I’ve said in it
plz have have all fighters in game and if some are not included then make a "create a character mode."Also add modes like career mode,legacy mode,couch mode and more in the game.add lots of stadiums eg:wembly,O2 arena and more,have lots of nationality where to fight and to represent.
Plz have a press conference and weigh ings,in career please put in sponsorship and "create a stadium mode"
1. Current Belt Holders (WBC,WBO,IBF,WBA) including top 10-15 Contenders.
2. Graphics, Graphics, and Graphics, I cant stress it enough.
3. Fighters Throw Actual Compubox Numbers from their latest 12rd bout.
4. Fighters are true to their punch tendencies and punch selection.
5. Body Punching Should do more Stamina Damage and Slow fighters down.
6. New Venues
7. Boxer Customization
8. Women Boxers, Just like UFC has their women Fighters in their game.
9. Better Punch and Combination animations
....The list can go on but those would be my personal focus points, and Those are what the Boxing Community will Expect when It comes to a New Boxing games for Fans.
8. Boxer IQ Rating
When will round 4 round boxing be released? Will be it be released in Australia..?
Yeah we've been waiting nearly a decade for a boxing game, but now we've been waiting nearly a decade again for ROUND4ROUND boxing to release lol...
is it possible to put Sergio Martinez in the game both in his prime and post injury
Please use the sticks for weaving and punches like ea did so u can throw any punch from any angle. The fite nite series was the best game ever
Would like a Tournament type mode multiplayer online making your own character and online with the real boxers
What he said, release date? Can you guys get Razor Ruddock, Henry Akinwande, Riddick.
I’m geeked about the progress on this. Can’t wait.
Hello my joseph i have question is mike tyson and lewis and holyfield are going be in round 4 round
My joseph I have question for round 4 round boxing in the game can you pick Trainers team Let's say you lose a fight And you wanna pick a better training team Can you pick some and a famous trainers A manual steward Eddie fudge cus Damato
Here is the MUST HAVE LIST FOR THIS GAME TO SUCCEED!!
-Roy Jones Jr.
-Oscar De La Hoya
-Julio Cesar Chavez
-Sugar Ray Leonard
-Errol Spence Jr
I agree... Gotta have the legends on this game.
You left out James Toney.
Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch and Mikkel Kessler
Both are musts.
Paulie never got the respect he deserved.
Haha.... Y'all think money grow on tree's or something?
How about let the guys get the game out there then add content as needed.
this is an indie company trying their best with limited resources. This isn't a huge AAA company with a major budget at their disposal
Lomachenko the matrix is a must too
Yea No-Mas-Chenko would be amazing. I honestly think he should be on the cover. I hope most fighters today see this as a free marketing opportunity rather than a money grab. I know if I was Jaime Mungia, I would be in a video game for free. Great opportunity to grow his fan base. I would even put Regis Prograis and Dmitry Bivol on list
Is true we need Mikey garcia too
Don't even really need that if they create the facial recognition system and the ability to create yourself or other boxers in the game like EA did. That was the great thing about Fight Night Champions. Creating and downloading other fighters. In some cases I had downloaded better looking and more authentic moving versions of Julio Cesar Chavez than what was in the game. I was able to download all the fighters from the Rocky movies too, lol!!!
Give us the ability to create our own boxers, share and download them and I am all over that!
is there gonna be a kickboxing mode or fighters
Thank you and your team so much for producing this boxing game.....There are thousands of us who greatly appreciate you and your hard work!!!
Should have an online community where you go to different gyms and take fights and definitely have Robert Easter
Thank you. Robert Easter Mikey Garcia and Adrien Broner are a must!
Please with Vasyl lomachenko and Usyk i dont gab wait for this Game
People need to realise it's virtually impossible for these to sign all the big name boxers in history due to licensing reasons. There's a reason EA Sports are refusing to bring out a boxing game and it's due to the costs of the licenses, an independent game like this stands no chance of acquiring the big names. Look at the confirmed roster so far, so many are not even top level fighters that's because it's cheap to afford them. This game just needs to make a real in depth editor that allows you to customise every single feature on their face, with numerous hairstyles, beards, shorts, boots etc. Or even make generic boxers with generic names that slightly resemble their real life counterpart that we can edit.
Yes exactly and do the same thing for the belts as well, make them fully customisable. Have the ability to post a belt or a fighter so I can use a fighter someone has created. Like if I see a really good mike Tyson lookalike I can downoad and use. Have prize fights too where you can earn extra in game money and items and also build up reputation of your fighter. Hopefully there’s a good training and gym mode because I wanna feel like I’m really training and putting in work before a fight. They should also approach one of the WB governing bodies and discuss a license agreement of some sort. Customise your own gym too would be cool.
I haven't been able to find out the control layout for the game. In my opinion the fight night control scheme is a must, the button scheme does not work for boxing games. Also I would be super happy to support the game via kickstarter or any other means if available
The button scheme does not work for boxing games? Are you joking right? or you maybe new in boxing games right?
Dude, I considered myself like one of the best in boxing games. And without the buttons FNC is trash.
Like OP said the button scheme is trash. It takes little skill to just mash a button over and over, however with the stick scheme it forces you to use certain patterns to land certain punches. Such a cringey comment too.."I'm a boxing game pro" Listen to yourself man.
Fight night control's a must . An online championship would be good and may attract boxing sponsers for the ring ads etc. Can't wait !!!!!
I love boxing games and its great there will be another one, but your roster is straight garbage. I wont be buying it if the roster is as weak as it looks.
Who cares the point is u make ur own fighter or make a lookalike, most people play championship mode where u just create a character however u like , rather than just quick play
SOMEONE GETS IT! People who complain about the roster in a boxing game are ENTIRELY to blame for the fact that we haven't had a single boxing game since FNC.
On top of that, most people barely, if ever, play quick match (ie use the roster). Most people play championship mode because they want to make their OWN fighters and earn achievements with their custom creations.
if they can't get all the biggest stars they should go for up and coming fighters like Joe Joyce, Ivan Dychko etc.. they probably would become big stars soon and they wouldn't charge a lot to advertise themselves and to appear in a video game.
Thanks Round 4 Round for a new boxing game greetings from Germany
Use the same controls as fight night champion. The analogue stick for full control of the boxer. Put muhammad Ali as the best.
When will you be beta testing? I suggest using experienced guys from Fight Night Champion like myself. We can help you get the mechanics right
I would suggest not spending a bunch of money trying to get real fighters to sign on to this game.
Invest your money into making it the best game it can be with a focus on a single player campaign and online multiplayer tournaments. If it’s a good game boxing fans will play it even without all the big names. Just create interesting made up fighters and awesome gameplay
I just hope there is the ability to create our own fighters to make our own roster
try to get some old contenders from the 60 ,70s like shavers , quarry ,lyle , mac foster etc
Hi guys, I'm so glad you've taken on this challenge - its been too long a wait for us boxing fans. I'd like to add my list of 1 percenters that I think will make your game a much better product than anything else that's been around - since HBO Roy Jones boxing anyway...
1. Have as many attributes, including fighter physic, which actually makes the fighter different. The number one issue with the EA sports games is that essentially your fighter just ends up getting 100 for everything and so does every other fighter, and besides a few basic style choices, there isn't much true difference between the fighters and you end up getting bored as the fantasy of using Brue Lee or Tyson fades very very quickly.
2. If you add any thing, please add sliders so players can customise their own experience. For example: Let us turn off stoppages from cuts. Let us use a slider to adjust fatigue, damage, stoppages, knock downs - pretty much anything which can change the experience.
3. Please please don't just make the AI 'harder' by cheating. By that I mean by giving it superman like stamina and strength. Its just frustrating when you have 100 for stamina etc and after the first round you've lost a good portion of your health and at the start of each round, the AI has 100 again. Bullcrap. EA do this and it pisses me off to no end.
4. Don't sacrifice gameplay for 'lifelike graphics'. Focus on physics and responsiveness and allow the players to fully customise everything about their fighter and how they want to control him/her.
5. Please don't turn the game into a giant R&B Hip Hop Rap gang bang. Make it realistic or at least give players options of what story line they wish to choose - this way it can appeal to everyone: Russians, Irish, Aussie, US, Mexican, UK etc....
6. Make a tonne of special attributes that can be chosen depending on what your style is and what body type and size you choose. Anything which makes created fighters as unique as possible will give the game lots of longevity and gameplayability.
7. Don't make it cheesy and please don't make it one of those games where you have to pay more money to access certain things. This will turn off boxing fans in a big way.
8. Give us press conferences, weigh ins, build ups, trainers to choose from (check out the old TV Sports Boxing and some of the ideas for trainers etc. Another really good game is the Roy Jones HBO Boxing from 2000. Don't try and reinvent the wheel - EA Sports have punished us with that for years.
9. Ask gamers like me who have have been playing boxing games since the early 90's. I was obsessed by them and am still waiting for that one game that just seems to nail it.
I really hope your project is going well and I can't wait to see something online. Cheers. Josh.
Very good suggestions.
They should also include a live helicopter feed of the stadium or actual footage of the city they’re fighting in as part of an introduction to the fight. Get Micheal buffer to do the introductions. Use actual boxing commentators too, or better yet have an actual boxing champion as a commentator for the game. Like a guest “ we’re joined tonight by boxing legend Nigel Ben or boxing legend Roy Jones JR or boxing legend floyd mayweather or boxing legend Holyfield. That would bring status to the game.
Must capture the tension of a one punch knockout at any time (when appropriate, Malignaggi shouldn't be one punching lamotta for example). Knockdowns and stoppages shouldn't be so systematic. This can be accomplished with a well designed slider system.
1. Please have a detailed create a fighter mode with a community share. This will give people the chances to create fighters that dont make the roster.
2. Please have a nice variety of venues. venues like the bright lights of MGM grand or barclays arena. Have foreign venues like the tokyo dome or wembley stadium. make outdoor venues like one of my favorites ceasar's palace. I just want the aesthetic that comes from going to a fight in a certain venue.
3. I would like a career mode with the ability to become a multi division champ. the possibility to move up to 6 divisions with the option to move back down. This would come at a cost with a decrease in ratings when a change happens. plus the ability to negotiate fight contracts. this being necasary to gain money to buy access to gyms and more.
Thanks for taking this into consideration.
If we could also have a tournament mode or a mode where the gamer took the role of promoter signing and promoting fighters( with the option to play as the fighers that you promote) to gain control of titles and making more money than the rival promoters. As a promoter you have to determine how much money to put into marketing fights, buying venues for the cards you make, and creating title shots for your fighters. depending on how your fighters perform and how well the card sells determines how much money the promoter would earn.
Before i get into my wishlist, some of it may not come across as important to the games development. Theres alot of stuff to do with game physics and boxing that im just not qualified to comment on. So most of my list is about visuals, presentation.
CAB modes and licensed boxer visuals amd customisation are big for me. Addressing licensed fighters - i like how in FNC they gave you more than 1 option for fight attire. But they obly done it for miguel cotto. Id like to see each licensed fighter in the game to have at least 3 different choices of fight attire from their actual fights. And not just with the generic long style robe . Some might just wear a t-shirt, headwear, shorter style robes (more like a thin jacket) short sleeve robes, sleevless robes. FNC did a good job of cab customisation but it was only really a small start. Id like to see many more styles of shorts. So maby different materials fighters choose today. It would be good to have a goos representation of attire from the 70s right up to today. More font styles and sizes for names on the waistband. And the ability to add an outline colour to any text. It would be also cool to add text if wanted to any part of the shorts and not just limited to the waisteband. Fnc had many template heads for creat a boxer but many of them looked too similar. Id rather have 40 completley different looking faces than 90 that look similar. Many more tattoo options and customisation for placement is needed. The hairstyles in FNC Were a let down. Needs to be many more of these. Again fight attire/rig walk attire there needs to maby more customisation options things like tshirts and headwear. Options to have mabye a countrys flag on the shorts with the option to change size or placement. Maybe create some generic companies to maybe add wee patches to attire. This could be implemented into career mode? Like maybe as ur career progresses you getbiffets of sponsorship. Be great to get suzi wong on board as they do stuff for so many uk fighters.I like in tv broadcasts how sometimes there is an areial shot of the venue from outside with surrounding city this would be great to see in the game. Longer more varied ring walks/post fight. I hate how in career mode u have ur firsr 5 or 6 pro fights in a gym. Do away with that. Smaller venues for that or even big venues but if on an undercard there should be less of a crowd to reflect realism.would love to see more international venues. Cant think of anything else right now but more than happy to take a job as a researche
YES YES AND HELL YES
As far as styles i would love if it was possible if we could have something equivalent to fighter "DNA" lets say your are playing the computer.. i want the computer represent what that boxer has shown himself to be.. but also respond to situation that represents it self in an intelligent way.. Say if the fighter is hurt.. he resorts to fight or flight/defense depending on his attributes.. or if they are down on the cards they start to take chances.. or If they find the user over aggressive they utilize traps..
I dont know if thats over ambitious or not as far as fighter DNA but it would be great if there was some level of logic.
Cant wait to see the fruits of your labors.. looking forward to a teaser/ trailer representative of the ameplay
It will be great if there are national and continental titles in the game and a very good editor to create and customize boxers.
Please include fighters from Georgia. They never get any love. Paul the punisher Williams, Vernon viper Forrest, Jade the spade Ealy, Justin chosen one Deloach, Rayonta sting ray Whitfield
Hope this can get near the bar that has been set by the fight night series!
Fans have waited way too long for a boxing game on next generation consoles!
I agree with Dazza92. This needs customizable boxers, Create you own fighters that you can add to the game. Depth in the custom characters, and gameplay. Focus should not be on the Real life fighters so much. Think about how much traction this game would get if the gameplay was solid and better than anything anyone has ever picked up, people would be after this, boxing fans and gamers a like who like combat sports who think the mma games are way to complicated to properly replicate on a controller. BOXING IS THE COMBAT SPORT FOR GAMING. PLEASE PLEASE GAMEPLAY IS KEY. AUTHENTICITY IS KEY. HONESTLY A FOCUS ON FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 4 WITH BETTER PUNCHING ANIMATIONS WOULD BE A GREAT START. 60FPS AND A PROPER PUNCHING ANIMATIONS WOULD BE WHERE TO START AND WE CAN BUILD FROM THERE.
Hello everyone from Russia, аnd sorry for my English!
I am a big fan of boxing games, now I play UFC but only because there is no alternative. If your game will be similar in style and quality of performance as Fight Night Champion, then for me all the other fighting games just will stop to exist!
I think my opinion is shared by many players who are now playing other fighting games just because they do not have a decent boxing game. We do not care how many famous boxers will be in the roster, we need gameplay, we need boxing. Not mixed martial arts, not wrestling, only BOXING!
Thank you for your work!
From Russia with love!)
You just need to have Ali in the game and make him the best!!🥊
Any way possible to make a place in the game for leagues like mine in where we can control things inside the game?
Im working in a universal ranking app. Is anyway possible to make the game api run inside my app if peoples in my league are fighting under my league rules?
This may have been asked already, will there be a Create a Fighter option with a basic career mode?
Ear bite dq feature....lol
If it's possible I'd love to see the following fighters included: Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Jake Lamotta, Sugar Ray Robinson, Carmen Basilio Gene Fullmer Joe Louis etc. I also want to thank you guys for stepping up and giving us fight fans a new game. It's been way way too long.
I would also like to see Joe Fraizer Rocky Graziano Micky Ward Autoro Gatti Gene Tunney Max Baer James Braddock Max Schmeling included. The new generation of fans need to be aware of the legends. It'd also be cool to fight for the Ring magazine belt too
I I am excited about the game coming round 4 round My request is when a fighter gets beat up the crowd goes crazy and I in a commentary The commentary in the fight Like an example when Holyfield beat Tyson The crowd went crazy My next request Will you create your fighter you can choose his fighting style if you wanna fight like Tyson Holyfield Lewis Muhammad Ali Joe Frazier or any fighter My last request when your fighters in trouble he goes back to his corner in his trainer You can hear the trainer talking to You can see you copy Box numbers for both fighters The fighter can be say by the Bell
My last request You have a big moment in the fight you have A Replay And your commentator announcer breakdown fights
My name is Joseph a have one more request round 4 round boxing OK when you have your fighter You have to have a fight promoter and you go to the press conference to promote the fight Can you get into argument into a fight
Let me give you some REAL advice. Don't fuss about trying to produce a roster of professional fighters. Obtaining the rights to fighters' likenesses etc. is simply not worth the effort and expense. The cost of getting a roster is the number 1 reason boxing games have fallen out of favor with developers over the last decade. Do yourself and the future fans of your game a favor and spend that time and money just making the game as god as it can be and I guarantee the players will buy it up.
Second piece of advice, and this is strictly from a gameplay perspective: Whatever you have to do to make it happen, if you can make sure the fighters' feet have to make actual concrete contact with the surface of the mat, you will be king of the boxing games. This means a handful of specific things need to be set in stone, and have absolutely no exceptions to them in the gameplay.
1. When a foot is planted on the canvas, it can not move. Period.
2. When fighters push/jostle each other, they do NOT slide out of the way of each other. The bodies collide and stay there until the fighter ACTUALLY moves. This pushing/smothering should also drain stamina of both fighters involved.
3. No body-free bubble. All previous boxing games have some amount of mandatory space between fighters programmed in. This was to prevent clipping, but all it really does is prevent the very real and IMPORTANT scenario of fighters having their punches smothered. It also resulted in the aforementioned sliding. The characters would act like they're moving forward, their feet would move, but they just ice-skate in place. In a game where a fighter's feet can not move when planted on the ground, when a fighter runs into their opponent, their feet would STOP moving, and they would brace against the other character. Unless, of course, one fighter is strong enough to simply walk their opponent back by pushing.
4. If a fighter DOES walk into their opponent and tries to keep going, they should drain their own stamina heavily. If the opponent resists (and is strong enough), the two would both begin losing stamina until someone relents. If the opponent does NOT resists (ie allows them self to be pushed across the ring), then it should drain minimal stamina for the opponent and only slightly reduced stamina depletion for the pusher.
5. Since the game actually defines the difference between feet planted or not, then whether or not your feet are planted could be incorporated properly when calculating the power of a punch. This MUST include the force of both fighter's movement, not just the puncher. In other words, the force a fighter exerts from the feet pushing forward at the moment a punch lands increases the power of that punch by an amount equal to the force being imparted by their own legs. And vice versa, a fighter moving away from a punch should have the force of their legs in the opposite direction subtracted from the force of the punch.
6. Footwork would be a properly definable stat as well. Since characters would have to move their feet in a real-world manner, fighters would bad footwork would move their feet in a more clumsy manner. This would mean their options become limited while moving in all aspects, just like in boxing. Depending on direction, speed, AND position before attempting a movement, a fighter may not even be able to move in a certain direction at all. You see this even at the highest level of boxing, and often results in a flash knockdown where the opponent gets hit from an angle where they physically can't move their feet and just fall on the backside. They're not injured, they just couldn't move. It also applies to offense. Never mind power, your punches have different ranges and angles depending on foot position (if you can even throw a punch from a given position). Therefore, fighters with better footwork have more punches available to them most of the time because they can position their feet to have the superior range and angle to make contact. (This should NOT prevent players from attempting to throw punches that their character physically can't, they should be allowed to burn stamina and time and learn from their mistakes)
All of the above factors and many more are all direct results of one simple change in the way boxing games are approached--feet that actually plant on the mat. It may sound simple, or obvious, but it's probably the only technologically challenging hurdle that has never been passed. If you can master this, no competing game will hold a candle to what you produce.
Will there be a career mode ?
If it's possible try to get Teddy Atlas involved in the game either as a commentator or a trainer. His passion and knowledge of the sweet science would benefit the game greatly. Thanks again for giving us fight fans a new boxing game it is greatly greatly appreciated!!!!
I wholeheartedly disagree with the above user. I appreciate everyone sharing their comments, but disagreement is part of an open process.
Teddy Atlas was fine for the Fight Night series, because he's the John Madden of boxing. Sometimes he has genuine insight, but mostly he's just a soundbite to fill in the silence. He knows a bit of boxing, but when it comes to the real sweet science, he's just a stubborn old mule. He knows what he knows and pretends nothing else is worth a second look, even when he's dead wrong. A guy like that can't really be considered an asset to the sport.
Just saw this comment. I appreciate your opinion. What do you think would make this game be the best boxing game?
Mr Ryan I really appreciate your opinion I think it's great that everyone can have their say on what would make this the absolute best boxing game. Who are some of your favorite fighters? I'm a big Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis fan. I'd be interested in hearing your take
Joe Louis one of the all time best. From a generational standpoint I'd say the very best, at least as heavyweights go. Julio Cesar Chavez (Sr.) isn't as heralded as he should be, but he is both one of my favorites and probably top 20 overall. Bernard Hopkins will always be a fighter close to my heart. His skill and his life story are both awe inspiring. Then you have the likes of Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard, who stand as pillars of what it truly meant to be championship level boxers during the peak of the sport.
I prefer fighters who refine unique talent to reach the pinnacle of the sport. The one thing I will never accept is those who mastered the art of pure endurance as a catch-all solution to victory. Erislandy Lara and Mayweather are the prime examples of how a boxer can find success if they just argue for the biggest ring possible and spend the fight running backwards quickly. Mayweather had more going on than that for a long time, but after multiple hand injuries, he decided to stop hitting people with any kind of force.
Thank you for including PC platform. Us PC only players have absolutely nothing when it comes to realistic fighting games. Looking forward to playing your game!
I completely agree with you Ryan. To me Mayweather was always a ''points chaser''. I agree with you regarding Chavez Sr he was a true warrior and I'd like him to be featured as a playable character. I like fighters that get in there and give it their all regardless of a win or loss. I still say jack Dempsey was one of the ATGs
Ryan how long have you been a fight fan?? I've been a fight fan for what seems like forever. I grew up watching the fights with my grandfather it's one of the best things we like to do together. He grew up watching Gillette Friday Night Fights with his dad so it's kind of tradition
Been a fan since I was about five years old. Always loved the sport. I didn't even know until I was much older that my grandfather was a golden gloves champion. So I come by it honest.
Please just give us a decent career mode with some depth and I’ll be eternally grateful!
What is everyone's views on the Ring Magazine? I've thought about doing a subscription but don't know if it's really worth the hassle. Just thought I'd ask
Oh wow Ryan your grandfather was a golden gloves champ? That's amazing dude!! I'm almost 26 and I can honestly say I'll be a fight fan forever. There's nothing better than seeing two men battle it out either in the boxing ring or a MMA cage. I kinda do see what you meant about Teddy Atlas I like him but he is kinda a loudmouth. From what I've read he's had a lot of difficulties with the fighters he's trained. I was wondering what your view is on the Ring Magazine? I've thought about getting a subscription but a lot of people say it's a bias magazine
Honestly, I've never looked into Ring magazine, but I'm just not a magazine reader. Perhaps someone else can weigh in on that question.
Ok fair enough. What's everyone's take on the Bronx Bull Jake Lamotta? Personally I think he has to be one of the all time middleweight p4p. Sugar Ray Robinson is regarded as the ATG in the middleweight rankings but I think Jake rates up there as well
Guys I'm seriously considering starting my own boxing promotion and maybe having a weekly live telecast that features up and coming fighters, prospects, etc and help em go for the world title. I know there's a lot of promotions out there but I want to do my part to help boxing back into the mainstream so it can get the respect it used to have. It truly is a great sport
Not really appropriate discussion here, but I'll give you an honest opinion. Promoters are the cause of the fall of boxing as a sport, plain and simple. Boxing didn't become unpopular because people became disillusioned with combat sports, and it CERTAINLY didn't lose public interest because of the rise of MMA. Boxing was dying long before MMA came into popularity, and if anything you could argue MMA got people interested in combat sports again.
The thing is, UFC started airing fights on regular television. They flooded the airwaves with old footage of their best fights on non-premium channels. People got to see a LOT of MMA, and they got interested. Boxing had spent over a decade at this point pushing itself onto premium access only, and then onto pay-per-view. That made a LOT of money for promoters, while fighters had less and less power over their lively hoods. Fights became increasingly rare, with major clashes happening once or twice a year across the entire sport, and big name fighters stopped fighting each other. It wasn't about protecting fighters or their records, it was about ensuring the promoter had leverage in fight negotiations. The better a fighter's record, the higher the percentage a promoter could take home for his side. Fans be damned.
Boxing went into decline from the moment it stopped being aired in prime time. You can't sustain a sport if the masses can't watch it. Just imagine if the SuperBowl was a pay-per-view event. It may be the most watched event in the country, but I bet they wouldn't even be able to make enough buys to pay the players' salaries if they went to a pay-per-view format. How anyone thinks they can revive boxing without abolishing premium fight access is beyond me.
Ok boxing fans I need to know is a subscription to Ring Magazine worth it? I know in the past it was the Bible of Boxing but is that still the case nowadays? From what I know Goldenboy owns it now and some say the magazine is bias. If anyone out there has any advice on this topic I'd love to hear your say
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Do you guys think Jake Lamotta the Raging Bull should be included in the game? I think he was one of the best p4p middleweights. He beat Marcel Cerdan for the title and fought Ray Robinson 6x
Guys I don't know if this is the right place to post or discuss this but seeming this is about a boxing game and all of you seem to be boxing fans I guess I'll just ask regardless: it's said over and over that boxing is a dying or a dead sport. I know boxing isn't as popular as it was in the 40s and 50s but it seems to me boxing still has its fans. What do you guys say? How would you all feel if there was a new boxing promotion out there giving unknowns a chance? I've thought long and hard about dabbling in that field. I'd appreciate some insight
Alright boxing fans I need some honest feedback here: I've seriously been thinking of starting my own boxing promotion and broadcast a weekly live telecast. I think if boxing had a live show one night each week fans could remember better and be more liable to watch it. Gillette Friday Night Fights used that formula in the 40s, 50, and 60s and they were successful. I'd appreciate anyone's comments opinions feedback
Hey Ryan I read your comment and what you said makes so much sense. I feel like boxing would benefit tremendously if top quality fights happened on free prime time tv. Back in the 50s fans could see the likes of Rocky Marciano Jersey Joe Walcott or anyone of name value on free given tv. And that was every single week. I think people like mayweather who are ''points chasers'' are what turn a lot of would be fans away. I'll always stand by my beliefs that the mayweather mcgregor bout was all a cash grab nothing more nothing less. You seem like a true fan of the sport and I'm proud to say you definitely know your stuff
Mayweather-McGreggor wasn't a boxing match. It was an exhibition, simple as that. It may have gone more than a couple rounds, but it was the sort of things fighters used to do for charity. Calling it a professional fight is like giving Mayweather a tally on his record for beating me. I'm no boxer, mind you, but I could pass the physical and get a boxing license. That's roughly the equivalent of putting McGreggor in a boxing ring.
Also why do you think Teddy Atlas is regarded as the mastermind of boxing? I mean he is knowledgeable but it seems like it's his way or the highway. Yes he learned under Cus D'amato and briefly trained Tyson early on but if you look at his track record as a trainer he's unimpressive. He lead Michael moored to a title win over Holyfield helped Alexander povetkin win a title but a lot of fighters don't speak too well of him. I read where he was planning on shooting Donny lalonde because Donny fired him
Hey Ryan I read your comment and I completely agree with you: boxing would benefit tremendously if top quality fights were on free prime time tv. You seem like a guy that really knows his boxing. It's talking to fans like you that help make being a fight fan worthwhile
i'm willing to pay extra if i could play as rocky balboa or apollo creed..
I was impressed by mcgregor in that fight with mayweather. To go 10 rounds in your first boxing match w/ot much experience is pretty admirable. I don't think it should've counted on the records but it is what it is. What did you think about fury vs wilder and who do you think really won in those two canelo vs ggg fights?
Fury vs Wilder was exciting, but a disappointment because it wasn't the Wilder I came to watch. It wasn't because of Fury's skill, it was Wilder not doing the things that had made him the success he is. I do think Fury won the fight, but only be 1 point. Still, it wasn't just THOSE judges that scored it for Wilder. There was a survey done of professional judges and boxing analysts, and surprisingly the result was about 40% fury, 40% wilder, and 20% draw scorecards. Hard to imagine the actual result so closely mirrored the divide in opinions. In a rematch, if Wilder calms down and displays the patient, composed champion I've known him to be, he will win the fight.
Canelo vs GGG... before those cards were announced, I personally rated the first fight as a draw. People overestimate GGG's punching power, which isn't actually very high. His knockouts come from accumulated punches landed 100% flush because of his incredible timing and accuracy. GGG lands combinations like almost no one out there, and when a man with okay power hits an opponent with ten flush punches in under five seconds, it does serious damage. More than most power punchers can hope to do. Canelo, on the other hand, is a true power puncher and landed a similar number of power shots--most of them also very flush. He was also landing those flush shots off the counter, which means combining both defense and offense into superior tactics and ability. Canelo out-boxed GGG in the first fight by miles, but GGG has a diamond-plated skull and never gets hurt. Combined with his aggression and accurate jab, he pulled a draw out of a fight he couldn't realistically win.
The second fight, Canelo won plain and simple. It was an extremely close fight, and both men had a chance at it, but in the end Canelo just took more rounds. It's a pretty clear cut result, despite how close the fight was.
Edit: I wouldn't take away from Fury's skill. He was amazing in that fight. However, he doesn't have the power to stop Wilder, and if Wilder had settled himself down and fought with poise, he would have produced the knockout.
I think it will be great if we had creation freedom like FNC did with the AI Tendencies sliders? However let’s take it to the next level, add the ability to level each individual punch so you can have a Jab, Cross, Hook or Uppercut with noticeably damage cause it’s level? To keep the game balanced only 1 punch can be put to 100 and all can go to 85 only two can be on 95 and if you stop must punches at 65 you can take two up max 99 or 100, something like that? Now moving on you should be able to give your boxer Klitschko Jab, Roy Jones Cross in other words full boxer creative expression only limit is you. Allows us to make a monster, Klitschko Jab, Roy Jones Cross, Felix Trinidad Hook? Lol... The Power, speed and agility can all be randomized in a logical way based upon how you set your boxer up? Truely making something great from the on set and keeping fans engaged for years with upgrades, patches and new content?! Lol... I would like to hear from the developers, tell me if I got something here, the ideas I shared above I think will make even a boxing game with fictional boxers great like victorious Boxers, that was a fun game?! Lol... To me anyways!
If you have a career mode will there be more titles then just the world titles like
Intercontinental, international, Asia Pacific, national, etc etc?
Will there be good international representation? For example like a boxer from a small country like new Zealand?
So true I'm looking forward to the wilder fury rematch it should be a good one. Canelo is going up against Rocky Fielding this Saturday night and a lot of people are counting Rocky out. All it takes is one good punch to land the ko. I know Canelo is moving up in weight for this one
Do you guys think Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder Canelo and GGG should be included in the game? Also what is everyone's take on Tommy Morrison? I always thought he was a great fighter. He did last all 12rounds with George Foreman
Tommy Morrison had Mike Tyson syndrome. He was the same level as Tyson, possibly even better, but we could never know that for sure because he literally stayed up all night drinking, doing drugs, and sleeping with strangers even during training camp and the night before his fights. It's impossible to imagine how good a sober, well-rested Tommy Morrison who actually put any effort into his training could have been. He didn't even show up to his training camp on half the days. Also, the Tommy Morrison that fought Big George was a faded shell of his former self like Tyson post-prison. Just to put that into perspective.
Also, while Canelo's defense is masterful, he has eaten clean punches from the best without so much as a wobble. Everyone likes to say 'all it takes is one punch', but no one has proven there's a punch that can stop Canelo.
Ryan forgive if this is out of line but you truly seem like a guy that definitely knows boxing. If my promotion ever does get off the ground it'd be a true honor to have you either as a commentator or analyst. I apologize if that sounds contrived but I think you know more than Teddy Atlas
I've often dreamed of being involved in the sport in a meaningful way. I missed my chance to be a fighter, but there's few things I consider to be more impactful than saying the things that need to be said from a position where it will be heard. There's some great commentators out there, but most of them are just as bullheaded as Teddy Atlas. You listen to Lennox Lewis commentate and some times he's right on the money. Then I watch a different fight and I wonder if he's even watching, or if he's reading a script he wrote in advance.
Tell you what: If you get a promotional company put together, you can count me in.
It'd be a true honor to work with you. I really enjoy talking to people that are huge fight fans like myself
I'd like to do a weekly live telecast and call it Thursday Night Fights or something like that and showcase different weight divisions each week. I'd like to build all the fighters in the stable from unknowns to household names. People knew who Marciano was even if they didn't follow boxing. I think having top quality title fights on free prime time television would help out tremendously
Ryan it'd be a true honor to work with you in the promotion. You do whatever you feel like you'd be best at either commentary or interviewing or being an analyst. I'd like to do a weekly live telecast and call it Thursday Night Fights or something like that and feature different weight classes each week. Turn all the unknowns into household names
Ryan let me just say that it'll be an absolute honor to work with you in boxing. I'm open to any comment or suggestions you might have to make this promotion the absolute best it can be. I'd like to do a weekly live telecast show and call it Thursday Night Fights or something like that and feature a specific weight class each week. I want to turn an unknown into a household name and I feel like one of the best ways to do it is to offer top quality Fights on free access television
Ryan how many fighters would you say is esstential for a stable?? I know there are four major sanctioning bodies the WBC WBA WBO IBF. I'd like this promotion to be all fairness and treat every fighters respectfully and equally. I know Don King has caused so many fighters a lot of heartache
Number of fighters would vary a lot, depending on their talent level and how well known they are before you sign them. Right before and after the olympics is the best time to get fresh young talent, but that's in jeopardy this time around. If there's no olympic boxing, things become a lot more difficult. I'd like to be more specific, but with so many variables I can only give you some guidelines to help make you more capable of doing business with the other promoters, because you will have to work with them no matter how much we'd rather not.
First, you will need some fighters who will never be anything but warm bodies in the ring for fresh prospects to fight. That may be shady, but there's a couple ways to look at it. These men have gone pro, and you're not going to change that, so may as well give them a home (so to speak). The other thing is that most promoters won't have their prospects fight anyone worth their salt in the first few fights and it gives your promotion some negotiating fodder. You help them out by providing an easy opponent a couple of times and when you want to get a real fight, you have an established rapport. Finally, there's no shame in hosting low level fights, and most of those lowest tier fighters will be fighting guys their own class.
Second, you want 2-3 genuine prospects. It would be foolhardy to expect to sign a future champion right away, but every champion starts as a prospect with a bright future. Any more than this and you probably won't be able to provide them with the kind of attention they need and deserve to nurture their careers to the fullest. Especially as a fledgling company.
Third advice, I recommend trying to find talent at the lower weight classes out of Japan. That means a lot of work, a language barrier, and some serious monetary investment to bring them to the states. However, in Japan the lower weight classes not only thrive as entertainment, they have a history of dominant fighters with absolutely no international exposure because both American and European fighters are unwilling to travel such a distance for a fight that would be in an unwatchable time zone in their homeland. The same goes for the Japanese fighters, they don't travel for fights because the logistics are nearly impossible. However, if you could convince a rising star permanently to adopt the states as their base, there is a broad pool of untapped potential waiting for exposure to the western market.
What is your opinion on doing a weekly live telecast that showcases a certain weight division each week? Do you feel like in this day and age it'd be possible to find another fighter like Rocky Marciano or Jack Dempsey? Those guys fought everyone put in front of them. Do you think it'd be in a promoters best interest to either own or visit a boxing gym on a frequent basis to scope out the talent. All of this is stellar stellar advice and I truly appreciate it
I absolutely think it's a good idea, but you have to consider context, not just content. You should give your viewers an insight into the differences between the weight classes that make them all worth watching. Not only would it provide a way to get new people interested in the sport by helping them understand it better, it would set you apart from the competition. I've yet to hear a major broadcaster talk about the way divisions set themselves apart for the viewers, and it leaves many viewers uninterested in most of classes. I bet the average casual boxing fan couldn't name a division below lightweight, or they think cruisers are just guys too weak to be heavyweights.
In today's world, a guy like Marciano or Dempsey? Chavez Sr was the last man to remind us of Marciano, but it's bound to come around again. His son could have EASILY been that man, but he decided to be a lazy cheater. Dempsey is another story, that will never happen again because Dempsey was purely a product of the time. But I think you meant their approach to fights more than their styles. I would argue that Wilder is one of those guys, but most of the time no one wants to fight him. Fury has always been one of those guys. He went after Wladmir when people thought he'd need another 3-4 years to be ready for that. Canelo may pick and choose fights, but he consistently goes after the best fighters out there. There's actually a lot of fighters with a 'taking all comers' attitude, but the promoters tend to get in the way of that and what we see is not what the fighters typically want.
Visiting gyms to scout for talent is EXACTLY what a promoter does. You talk to trainers if you've got scruples. They might have someone they really believe in that they can showcase. On the other side, if you spot a fighter YOU want you talk to the trainer because you never want to approach a fighter directly. It puts bother parties in a bad position when you make first contact with the fighters. First, you are in a position to possibly turn down a guy that you've already told you're interested in if scouting doesn't pan out. Second, he might get in his head that he is going to be picked up any day and it might never happen. Lastly, it's very distracting when he's thinking about you when he should be training. Meanwhile, a trainer could give that guy the extra care he needs to get properly ready. Even if he finds out that someone is interested (which a trainer with his own scruples wouldn't tell him), it'll be the trainer that the fighter focuses on. When an inspired fighter looks at his trainer as the gatekeeper to his destiny, that faith is often what brings a man up to the next level.
I really respect and appreciate your help and advice. I'm from and live in Mississippi and there's a boxing event toward the end of January at one of the casinos in Tunica I'm planning on going to. I plan on not only watching the fights but also learning and paying attention to how these events are run. Wilder was on a card a few years back
All of your advice is so helpful and I'm very grateful. It'd be a huge honor to have you in this promotion your passion and knowledge of the sweet science is a huge huge asset. I'm from and live in Mississippi and towards the end of January there's a boxing event at one of the casinos in Tunica.i plan on going and not only watching the fights but I'm also going on learning as much as I can on how these events are run. Thanks again for all your help I look forward to having you on the team in the near future
Yes I wholeheartedly agree with you that more analysis should be devoted to the other weight classes. I feel like most so called fans only care about heavyweights but they're just a tad bit of the pie so to speak. I live in Mississippi and towards the end of next month there'll be a live event at one of the casinos in Tunica. I plan on going and observing not only the fights but how these events are structured. I really do value all of your advice it's beyond helpful and what you say makes a good deal of sense. I also think your ideas are very interesting and having you in my promotion will be a huge huge asset. You can help out in anyway you think would be the best way if that's commentating analyzing or training you do whatever you think is best. Thanks again for all of your encouragement and advice it has by no means gone under appreciated
Ryan let me just say that it's a true honor to have you be apart of my promotion. Your advice and suggestions are so helpful and none of it has gone under appreciated. I live and am from Mississippi and toward the end of next month there'll be a boxing event at one of the casinos in Tunica I plan on going and observing how these events are structured. What's your take on so many belts in each weight class? Do you think there should be one belt per division and how would you organize titles for a promotion?
Actually, a bit of a change to what I said above. Many fans don't believe there should be as many weight classes as there are in boxing, and I'm inclined to agree. Because of the format, the WBSS has no obligation to run EVERY weight class as they exist in boxing today. I think it would strengthen the sport if they never run intermediate weight class tournaments.
That's more than enough weight classes. The ones in between were just created to increase the number of champions that could exist at one time, which de-legitimizes the concept of being a champion. Low class fighters move around to nearby weight classes where belts are held by chumps and suddenly become "champion" just because they found a weight that basically no one was fighting at.
If boxing is to reach its full potential it needs a unifying governing body. It's not as much of a pipe dream as people once believed, though. The WBSS has created a format where the best in the world are invited to compete in a championship tournament, and it has been amazingly successful. Most fighters are enthusiastic about the event, and fan support has been incredible. It may not be a unifying body for the entire sport, but the tournament is a self-contained organization with full control over its rules and it is already on its way to becoming the most prestigious prize in boxing.
All it would take is expanding the tournament to encompass every weight class, and running it every few years to get the sport a lot of recognition and regain a lot of lost respect. Think of it like the World Cup, except that a round of the WBSS takes a couple years to complete due to the nature of boxing. If it became the new normal and the Muhamid Ali trophy became the REAL championship title everyone wants to hold then we would finally have something resembling a structured sport where fighters can not be viewed as a legitimate champion without fighting against the very best their division has to offer. Anyone choosing not to participate would lose credibility and be regarded as inferior even if they were fully capable of winning the WBSS.
I just feel like there are way too many belts. Boxing is a great sport but it is so frustrating to follow since there are way too many belts. I do support unification wholeheartedly. I like your idea of analyzing each division and giving the viewers a reason to care about this or that weight class. I feel like most so called fans only tune in cause of the heavyweights or a big name. I do think casual fans are necessary to an extent
What all do you suggest I observe at tat event next month I mentioned earlier? I'm from the north region of Mississippi so that is more than likely where this promotion of mine will be based. Also I don't know if you heard or care but I believe I read where Teddy Atlas was involved in a bar fight in a club in Biloxi a couple years ago. I think he was training Shannon Briggs at the time it happened
Pay attention to footwork, first and foremost. Boxing always starts with the feet, and it determines the outcome of most matches.
Second, if you know anything about the mechanics of punching, then watch for how they use their body as they throw. Power is a combination of intrinsic and trained factors. People DO have different power levels built into their bodies that aren't relative to the amount of muscle they have. However, what is usually most important is how they multiply that power through leverage. There are many ways to accomplish this, but there are two basic ones. Rotational and linear acceleration.
Pacquiao, as he moved up in weight, became a master of linear acceleration. He would throw his left in such a way that from his left heel, through his hips, his spine, all the way to his fist was in perfect sync. It all not only moved into a straight line, all the levers involved moved simultaneously. Remember that last part more than anything. You only generate extra force from involving more muscles if they are all at 100% activation at the moment of impact. Moment of impact being the key phrase. You might not remember Vitali Klitschko's left hook, it wasn't talked about a lot, but it was one of the best in boxing history. Every once in awhile he'd flash a left hook that only traveled about a foot before making contact and he'd knock men out with it.
Last thing is defense. I say last not because it's less important, but because it's the most obvious. Look at how they defend. Are they reactive? Do they have natural body shape for good defense? Do they rely on durability to trade shots?
There's an endless list of things to watch for, but you can only do so much at once, and these are good starting points. They tell you about who a fighter is at their core. Most of the rest can be trained, but honestly, those three points are habits that are pretty much never going to change once a fighter reaches even the lowest level of turning pro.
Not to disparage any fighters, but you will likely see many Mexican boxers because the sport is very popular there. Something you will likely notice is that the Mexican style does not focus on generating power so much as it focuses on economy of motion. In other words, they train to throw as many punches as possible. This might seem like a winning strategy, but it rarely produces knockouts unless the fighter is very strong to begin with. I would say that this style of fighting is the number 1 reason the lower weight classes have lost the public's interest.
No one wants to watch two men through 1000 punches each, land 500 and both men saunter back to their corner after 12 rounds looking like they've maybe finished round 3. It happens all the time. People think lower weight divisions don't produce knockouts, but they are every bit as capable of knocking their opponent out. It's just that so many fighters in those classes have trained their whole lives for nothing but speed and endurance. There's a false idea believed by too many that lower weight fights are just a points scoring contest, but that only happens when nobody tries to do it any other way.
I don't know who'll be on the card as this is my first time ever attending a boxing event live. I used to be an avid WWE follower and have been to some of their live events in Memphis a good few years ago. Wilder was featured on one of the cards in Tunica years ago so hopefully whoever is there next month will be top quality. I'll try my best to follow your guidelines and suggestions
Like I said this is my first time attending a live event so I don't know who'll be on the card but I'll try my best to observe all the things you suggested. I believe this is a pro event I don't know if it's amateur or not but I doubt it. Hopefully it'll be a good night of fights plus a learning experience
Do you think the promotion would benefit by following the UFC model of being an organization or would it be better to work with one of the four major sanctioning bodies? Like I said this event is pro level I don't know about amateurs though Mississippi has hosted the Golden Gloves a few times. I'll try to observe all the things you pointed out and it should be a good learning experience
The only way to go, honestly, is just being a standard promoter. The sole exception is Al Haymon, but he never was an actual promoter. He created a company to host fights, and is actually similar to UFC in concept. He used tremendous amounts of money and surprising influence within the media to get where he is, though. Even the likes of Golden Boy could never pull off what he has accomplished even if they wanted to.
You dont' really work with the governing bodies as a promotional company. Your job is to sell fighters. You sell fights to venues, to television, to other promoters, and to the public. You are in charge of advertising, negotiations, contracts, venues, the whole shebang. That's why fighters need promoters; even if everyone knows they're gonna get screwed, they're already over a barrel.
As for the event, when you go to live events, you'll find out real fast that it's nothing like what you that it would be from watching tv. In my experience, there's usually about a dozen fights on a card, about half of which are amateur, and most of the pros still only fight 4 rounds. All those guys on the undercard are the ones worth scouting. They may or may not have their skills fully developed, but a trained eye can usually tell if someone could be something special at any stage of their career.
Whatever the case ends up being, going to a live card is always a wonderful experience. It's 4-5 hours of good entertainment. I remember going to see some fights and being pissed that they blatantly rigged the main event (yeah, that still happens), but it didn't ruin the night for me. I even enjoyed the rest of the crowd joining in as I loudly boo'd the result. I was even sitting by the fighters' exit so I could make him feel like a shit to his face. But don't let the animosity get the best of you. If the fights aren't so great, or there's a fix, let it roll off your back. I mean, you want to get into the game to make it better, am I right?
Can we get realistic movement , knockouts/knockdowns.. not the stiff preloaded stuff like fight night champion, mor of the physics like fight night 2004 but cleaned up a little.. and realistic stoppages like the ref jumping in and stopping the fight when youv stunded or wobbled someone bad and just pounding em.. and possibly having the option of manualy doing the ring walk would be amazing!!
Yessir I want to be one of the very few honest promoters in the biz. I think Eddie Hearn is nice guy from all I've seen of him. I'd love a fighter like Fury in my stable but I realize guys like that are shots in the dark. Since you seem interested in being a part of this promotion what role do you see yourself in? Do you see yourself as a trainer or are you more comfortable as a commentator or analyst? I hope I'm not coming on too strong asking all this but you seem like a standup fella
Also I've been hearing reports that Dana White is planning on venturing into boxing. What are your thoughts on this and would it be safe to say that as a promoter I may have to cross paths with him down the line. Since you seem to show interest in my promotion you can help out in anyway you see fit or feel like you'd be the best at. I hope I'm not sounding too forceful in all of this but you seem to be a standup guy. I've really enjoyed having a convo with you these past few days
While training fighters would be a dream job, I am a long long way from being qualified for that job. It's the sort of thing you have to learn from a mentor, and usually takes longer than becoming a fighter. haha. No, I have a lot of the knowledge of boxing but I only had about 3 years of actual training, so skill-wise I'm just not there.
I think commentating would be great, personally. Like I said before, I think there's a lot that needs to be said that I never hear on the air during fights. The best commentator I've ever seen is Paulie Malignaggi. He may have only been a so-so fighter, but his understanding of the sport lead him to become a champion despite lacking both the power and speed of even the average contender. Until he became a full-time commentator, I never understood how he was so successful, but hearing him talk over the course of a few fights made me realize he knew the art of boxing better than even the legendary fighters he was sitting next to.
Some great suggestions on here already, to add my comments.
1. Roster - this is probably the most difficult to get right as everyone has their favourites and licensing costs could make the game unprofitable. However, I think FNC did well with their roster in terms of all time greats and contemporary fighters - there was a few notable exceptions like James Toney, Erik Morales, Larry Holmes, Floyd MJ. If resources are limited then I'd maybe focus on current day fighters getting a shallower pool of premier fighters rather than lots of lesser known boxers - Lomachenko, Canelo, GGG, Crawford, Mikey Garcia plus the HWs - Joshua, Fury and Wilder. Id like to see the roster reflect boxings global presence - US, Canada, Mexico, UK, Japan, Ukraine, Russia, Germany, Japan, Australia, Argentina, Thailand, Phillipines etc.
2. Gameplay - I'd really invest in getting all the different fighting styles nailed down from boxings rich history - Peekaboo, Philly Shell, Classic Upright boxer, in-side fighting, old school, Mexican style etc.
3. Game modes - FNC was good but career mode got a bit repetitive for me after a bit. I'd maybe do weekly challenges and bring in scenarios from the real boxing world in online game modes to keep things fresh.
4. Career mode - intangibles like punch resistance should be catered for. E.g if your boxer has been in too many tough fights then their reflexes and ability to take punishment should be accumulative.
5. High levels of Customisation for boxers including monikers, tendencies, appearance, styles, commentary etc is imperative if the licensed pool is limited.
6. Animations for boxers when they're hurt, stunned, knocked down or one punch KO'd was a bit 'rag doll' in FNC champion. Things like taking a knee or dropping hands when hurt or exhausted could be more life like.
I think you'd make a good commentator. What's your view on Dana White getting into boxing soon? I wonder as a promoter if down the line there'd be dealings with him. I know he's said UFC is expanding into it by creating Zulfa Boxing
Honestly, Dana White may have created a huge brand, but it's all spectacle and good timing. He's not good at running UFC, most of the fighters despise him. I don't think he could ever get a real boxing promotion off the ground. I also think his efforts to expand into boxing is just more evidence that the UFC ship is sinking.
MMA as a sport will stick around, but his handling is the issue for them. Not everyone knows that UFC is an invitation-only organization. Most guys don't have a contract or anything, they're just called up and asked to fight on a UFC card for one fight. Point is, he has a certain reputation and if he ever does manage to sign some fighters it could only be bad for the sport.
Dana has always struck me as a dishonest man and forgive me for saying this as I don't like badmouthing someone but for the most part he's a liar. As a promoter I want my fighters to speak of me in a favorable light and someone that looks out for their best interest. I'd like the promotion to give fighters an opportunity to grow and advance similar to what Top Rank does. Golden Boy seems to have the sink or swim approach I don't know if that's the best way to go
It's been really cool having this convo with you these past few days I'm gonna try to follow all your advice and guidelines the best I can. I want my fighters to speak of me in a favorable light and as someone that helps the fighters advance their career to the next level. I like the idea of the promotion giving the fighters time to develop rather than the sink or swim model Golden Boy follows. I believe there's a lot of fighters out there with untapped potential just waiting to go the next level
I want all my fighters to speak of me in a favorable light and I hope to give them time to develop and rise thru the ranks. Working with other promoters is inevitable and I wish more would do it as I believe it's one of the many reasons why the great fights either don't happen or happen years after it should have. People like Don King and Dana White I don't want to be like them. Goal is to be as honest of a promoter as possible
I don't know if this would benefit boxing in any way but I wish fighters fought more often a year like the old guard did. I just feel like it could help the sport out in the long haul but it is what it is. One of my go to goals is to find a fighter similar to Jake Lamotta. He was rightfully called the Raging Bull as I like his crowding infighting style. His series of fights with Ray Robinson were are still are all time classics. I don't know if footage exists of their first five fights but I have seen the sixth one and I very much enjoyed it. Like I said I want to be a honest promoter and someone the fighters can be proud to be under the banner. I don't expect or claim to be the best but if I can at least improve the sport in some positive way than that's enough for me
Fighters need to fight more often, and in most cases there's no good reason why they can't. The reason they don't is because of promoter negotiations. Which is to say, it takes about 2 months to negotiate a major fight, then you have an 8 week training camp, so that pushes things 4 months down the road, minimum.
I honestly don't think a real fighter should need an 8 week camp, first of all, because they should be training whether they're preparing for a fight or not. They should already be in shape, and camp should just be preparation for that specific opponent. There are obviously exceptions, like moving up or down in weight class or if they're had to recover from an injury. I would argue, though, that a lot of boxing injuries happen because of those grueling 8-week camps.
When fighters let themselves go between fights and then get back into shape it puts an enormous amount of stress on the body. On top of that, below heavyweight the amount people dehydrate to make weight is getting worse and worse, which also does significant harm to the body, making it more difficult to fight frequently.
If a fighter doesn't take many punches in a fighter and/or ends it quickly, I think they should be fighting against within 90 days. There's no good reason not to. If they are in a battle, they might literally spend 6 months in recovery, though, and I understand that. All things said and done, every fight and every fighter is different, but I don't believe it's reasonable to spend months negotiating fights or just deciding on an opponent when a fighter is already in fighter shape. And I definitely believe fighters shouldn't be pushing so hard in camp, because in recent years I've noticed about 30% of big fights being impacted or canceled due to training camp injuries. Evne the Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight was ruiend because Pacquiao tore his shoulder in camp, but he fought anyway.
I don't suppose as a promoter I'll be around the fighter during training camp. I agree they should always keep in shape regardless of a fight or not. As a promoter it's my dream and lifelong goal to make Fights people will talk about 30 to 50 years down the road. People still remember Frazier vs Ali Tyson vs Douglas vs Holyfield etc etc. I believe there's a way to do it and do it right
Do you think itd be reasonable as a promoter to have any fighter in my stable to fight more often in a year? I want to make fights that people will still talk about 30 to 50 years down the road. People still remember Ali vs Frazier Tyson vs Douglas vs Holyfield etc etc. I believe it can be done if done the right way. I don't see why negotiations take two or so months that's really absurd I think
It is completely absurd. They're just being greedy and there's no excuse for it. In the mean time, fighters are getting fat and fans are getting bored while promoters fight among themselves. As a promoter, you have to talk to the fighters and their trainers and possibly doctors to determine how long a fighter needs to recover from a fight.
It's not unreasonable at all to have them fight 4 times per year if they're fit for it. It would also get your fighter a lot of acclaim quickly if they fight at least 4 times per year and look good in every contest. Just make absolutely sure they're 100% when they fight. As much as fighters usually don't fight often enough, they get restless after an injury and tend to re-injure themselves fighting too soon.
Yeah man I completely agree with you. What do you think about someone like canelo moving up in weight just to nab another belt then going back to their original division and do you think it's reasonable for a promoter to give one fighter special treatment over all the others in the stable? Like Dana does with mcgregor and de Hoya with Canelo
I'm thinking of recording some footage or taking a photo of a fighter or fighters that happen to catch my eye at the event next month. Like I said I don't know any of the names on the card or how many matches but I'll go in there with an observation mindset. Probably my best bet goin forward
I know Mickey from the Rocky film series is a fictional character but do you think a real life fighter could apply his advice and training to his career? I know that sounds kinda crazy
Idk if you've noticed but seems to me a lot of fighters nowadays start their careers a little late. I believe Marciano was either 23 or 24 when he started taking boxing seriously now that doesn't mean a death sentence for a fighter but I thought in order to be a fighter you would have to start out real young and build up. I think Wilder came to boxing late in life as well. I totally think they should fight more often a year if they can possibly help it and that's probably going to be one of my main goals as a promoter
Would you say being a promoter would qualify as a full time week role since scouting negotiations and all go into it
I think that it has always been a significant part of the sport for guys to move up or down in weight to take on a champion of another division. It's usually quite exciting. However, the ease of Fielding's defeat goes to show how weak some of the divisions are. For a guy like that to be a belt holder reflects very poorly on the WBA and the state of the 168 division. It's true that Canelo is in a class of his own for the most part, but no champion should fall so easily.
As for playing favorites with fighters, that's just a given. Even in a company as large as Golden Boy, De La Hoya still has to personally see to a lot of things. There's only so much of your time to go around, and you have to allocate that time in the way that keeps the company running and gives your best fighters their best chance.
I don't think it's acceptable to intentionally sideline fighters the way Mayweather does, but it's a simple fact that your most promising fighter(s) get the most attention. It helps you as a promoter, and it puts more wind in the sails of a fighter who can really make a name for himself. It might seem unfair, but an honest promoter will always recognize talent and give them the support they need.
If you ever get in a situation where you have someone you don't have the time to support under contract, make sure you do the right thing. You can either let them out of the contract free and clear, or take on a business partner who can handle a portion of the workload. Both are acceptable, just don't screw over a fighter like Top Rank did to Mikey Garcia.
I wish there was one belt per weight class and would it be sensible for a fighter to pay attention to the advice of Mickey from the Rocky films? I know he was a fictional character but I think there's some merit in what he says and does as a trainer
They worked real hard to make it as realistic as they knew how at the time. The truth is, it wasn't very good advice, but Rocky was a bullheaded guy who had it in him all along if someone just gave him the right encouragement. The moral is he could've trained doing just about anything, because he had always been capable.
The words behind the lessons are solid, mind you. Fast feet win you fights and slow feet lose you fights, for instance. Or that you can't expect to win if you can't breathe, so training your lungs is priority #1. There's lots of basic fundamentals there, but there's nothing deep to glean. I love the Rocky franchise, but I know better than to take advice from movies.
Would you say being a boxing promoter would qualify as a full time career? I would think it is since so much goes into it than meets the eye
I thought I answered that before, but I guess not. It's way more than a full time career. Hopefully I don't scare you away from your dream, but especially when you're starting out, you are going to be working pretty much 24/7 and traveling every night of the week. Even if you start out as a small regional promoter, finding and signing fighters is going to take a lot of time and effort. You're going to have to convince fighters that you're worth their time when you haven't put together a single fight yet. Then, once you have at least one fighter, you'll be trying to arrange them fights when you have no experience and no history of working with anyone.
It's gonna be crazy.
I totally get what you're saying and it's a goal to be one of the very few honest promoters in the game. I know most are shady
The goal is to be one of the very few honest promoters in the game. I realize by most standards the majority of promoters are shady people but I believe you can go through the business honestly and as I said before I want my fighters to speak of me in a favorable light
It is crazy but you gotta admit boxing needs more passionate fans to help the industry in a positive way and as a promoter I believe it's in the best interest to give fans the fights they wanna see and it's a goal to be one of the very few honorable and decent promoters in the game. I'd like my fighters to be happy being under my banner and I'd like for them to speak well of me. It's sad and a true horror story at what some promoters do and have done to their fighters perfect example Don King to Tyson
You know, Don King essentially created promoters as they are known today. Prior to the way he brought himself to the front of the show, no one paid much attention to the work of promoters, and there was no long-term contracts between fighters and their promoters. In many ways, this change has benefited fighters in immense ways. Those contracts have given fighters more security in their income in many cases, and made it easier to move up to the national level for those who show enough promise.
There's a lot to be said for the idea of promoters being more separated from the fighters. Previously, the gyms the fighters came from was what defined a 'stable'. Trainers worked with a group of fighters and acted as sort of pseudo-promoters. If you could get into a good gym and the trainer wanted to work with you, that was pretty much all you needed to get a start in the sport. Real promoters put on the event, and the fighters just showed up. If there a fighter couldn't make it, they'd call in backup fighters so the event went ahead as scheduled because they weren't tied to particular fighters.
That's about the end of the good parts. The bad part of the old days is fighters often got little or no money at all and might not even know what they were being paid until after the fight. Losers usually got chump change if anything, and if no one was watching his back even winning fighters got shorted a lot. It was a bad time to be a fighter, no question about it.
So for all the shady deals and career-ruining decisions, you can at least look back and remember that it was a lot worse to be a fighter before today's version of promoters.
You know watching the Rocky movies lately have really lit a fire in me to make a difference in this sport. I like the storyline of a total unknown like Rocky going the distance with the champ Creed first to lose then later become champ. It's my mission as a promoter to help guide a fighter with potential to the top. I'd like to help them become champ. I believe there's a right way to do it
It may be crazy being a boxing promoter as a career but then again it takes a special kind of ''crazy'' to get into the fight business regardless. Like I said I believe the sport needs truly dedicated and passionate people involved to help it grow and improve. To quote Mickey from the first Rocky film''I've been in this racket for 50years and I've seen it all''. I can only imagine what kinds of stories will be told.
It maybe crazy being a boxing promoter for a career but then again it takes a special kind of ''crazy'' getting into the fight business regardless. I believe for the sport to grow and improve it needs true dedicated and passionate people involved in it. Like Mickey told Rocky he'd been in the business for 50years and seen it all. I just want to help fighters the best I can and it's a lifelong goal to get at least to a world title
I just want to say that I've really enjoyed talking to you these past few days or weeks or however long it's been going on. I hope I haven't been too much of a hindrance but you've been so kind to message me and answer my questions. I'm sure it's gotten outta hand by now and if it has I truly apologize. I just go into full on geek mode talking about boxing or combat sports in general not many of my friends follow boxing so it's nice to finally talk to someone that likes and follows it like I do.
There really is no excuse as to why fighters can't have 4 or 5 fights per year and as a promoter I feel it's my obligation to at least try to get my fighter or fighters to have a fight more often a year. I also don't like the idea of a padded record I was watching Rocky 3 the other night and Mickey admitted to Rocky that he handpicked every opponent for Rocky's sake. I understand the need for protection but I believe if a fighter claims to be the best they should fight the best
I feel like a lot of today's fighters are too protected it happens in boxing and MMA quite often. Idk if fighters have gotten too complacent and just take easy fights in order to build and cushion their records or what. Just seen the controversy surrounding UFC 232 Jones got busted again I guess this would be his 3rd stroke. I'd cut him indefinitely
I don't really pay attention to UFC, so this was news to me, but I think the state of Nevada were the ones in the wrong here. Since the test results were conclusively shown to be residual from a year ago, Nevada should not have taken the hard line stance they did against Jones. That said, this isn't the first time UFC has stripped a rightful belt holder of their title just to put it up for grabs in a fight with a guy fans really want to see. This is just further proof that there is no respect for the fighters and champions continue to be hand-picked by Dana White himself. He orchestrates match-ups from behind the scenes to promote specific fighters, because styles make fights. He can get a low-caliber opponent a win just by putting them into a match where their style is troublesome for the opponent. But for the most part these days, strikers fight strikers and wrestlers fight wrestlers. The majority of fighters where the two clash is when they put in a weak opponent to show one of their big name guys can win against 'any' fighter.
Let's be honest, those match ups make for MUCH better fights. I'm in complete agreement with that. However, it's the deceitful way those fights are organized that ruin the reputation of UFC. So many people are put in with champions and top contenders who never earned that chance, just because they have been selected to help raise the public's opinion of a fighter.
Everyone goes on and on about how MMA is better than boxing but I'm inclined to believe boxing is far superior. I like UFC and boxing but to me boxing is a true representation of strength and combat. I don't think Dana has a chance at boxing promotion no one wants to fight for chump change and every time he's asked about fighter pay he either blows his top or dances around the question. As a promoter it's my vow and goal to treat every fighter in my roster the best I can. I'm a fan too I want to see and make the best fights possible
I don't see how Dana has a chance at getting into boxing. Nobody wants to fight for chump change and a vast majority of his fighters don't speak too well of him. He is guilty of favoritism and being a promoter I don't think that's the right formula to follow. Every time he's asked about fighter pay he either blows his fuse or dances around the question. A huge goal of mine is to make the fights people want to see. I believe to go about this is to have a fan mindset. I want my guys to fight the best I'm a fan too I want to see good matchups I believe there are weight classes out there that can rival the heavyweights in good matchups
Everybody seems to go on and on about how MMA is better than boxing but all due respect I think boxing is better. I like MMA and am a UFC fan but to me boxing is the purest form of combat sports. It's been around longer and I don't see it going away anytime soon. Dana doesn't stand a chance in boxing nobody wants to fight for chump change plus he shows favoritism way too much. As a promoter I feel the best way to go is to have a fans mindset and make the fights people wanna see. I feel like people only care about the heavyweight division but I think there are other weight classes that very well can and should rival the heavyweight division
I don't know if you watch Premier Boxing Champions but I caught their card on fox last Saturday night. Charlie vs Harrison. Idk how Harrison won cause from what I saw it looked like charlie was controlling the action. I was amazed that Teddy Atlas agreed with the judges as he's had a history of being on the opposing side of what the judges have
How does this idea grab you? I'm thinking of using some of the money as a promoter in creating and running a 24/7 boxing tv channel. The U.K has a similar structure with BoxNation. The channel could feature matches as early as the Jack Johnson Dempsey days to today's stars and future prospects. It's something I don't think has ever been done in the US before but with all these streaming platforms it'd be hard to keep afloat
I think it's a noble goal, but ultimately we're kind of past things like that. You'd be better off getting rights to upload fights to YouTube. You'd have to look into it, but as far as I know no one has pursued a legal channel with uncut fights. Barring that, a streaming service would be the way to go, whatever method you find. There has even proven to be a good market for dedicated streaming services, and right now the US is way behind the times in this area which leaves an opening.
DAZN has some US market penetration, but they only offer about 10% of what they do in some countries. More importantly, they only offer current and recent fights. You would probably be the only player if you had a streaming service that offered--for example--pre-2000 only fights. It shouldn't be too hard to get the rights to stream fights ranging from 20-100 years ago. And that's the experience people want. To be able to pause and rewatch things as much as they want.
By the way, I just got around to watching that fight, and for once I'm in total disagreement with the judges. I think Harrison fought very well, it was an extremely close fight, but I had Charlo by 2 rounds. He took the last three rounds and that's where he won the fight. Rounds 10 & 11 were the only real difference on the official card compared to my view despite them being the most decisive rounds for Charlo in my opinion. At that point, Harrison was on wobbly legs for 3 consecutive rounds and his punches had lost all presence of power. My only guess is the judges didn't do a good job of watching just how weak and hurt Harrison had become at that point. Still, if you listened to the announcers you'd think Harrison was losing going into those rounds, and he was actually looking like he was going to win prior to round 10.
With the addition of real boxers in the game, how well will each rendered boxer perform like their real life counter parts in the game.
In your opinion how do you think this promotion should be structured? I like the way Top Rank gives fighters time to develop other than Golden Boys sink or swim model. It's sad when a fighter like Morrison who had so much going for him just forsakes it all for the party life. I've heard some claim if he's dedicated himself enough he could've beaten Tyson and I do agree with you on Chavez Sr being one of the ATGs. It's my goal to have a fighter similar to him in my stable
Yeah I was amazed at that fight but given time to reflect Harrison did deserve the win. That idea of having that all access boxing service would showcase classic fights. I feel like fans today don't know who Dempsey or James Braddock or Max Baer are people like that. What I really wish there were more movies on real life fighters Raging Bull and Cinderella Man were good. I feel like movies could be done on Joe Louis Marciano all those guys. Just a thought
It would be amazing to see a movie about Joe Louis' rise and reign in boxing. It has been done to some degree, but that was a golden age movie, and a modern take would be very interesting. There was a biography (Joe louis: America's Hero... Betrayed) done about life as a whole. I like to call it the saddest story ever told, because my god... But it wasn't a biopic like The Fighter.
By the way you mentioned how ridiculous it is that fighters fight so rarely nowadays I caught the airing of Mayweather vs Pacquiao on espn the other day and I see what you meant about how 8 week training camps are unnecessary. Pacquiao went into that fight with a bad shoulder if I was his promoter I wouldn't of given him the go ahead. I like fighters to be 100% before a matchup and I think long training camps are a huge reason why injuries happen. I can understand the need if it was some opponent that posed a huge huge threat but I'm in agreement with you. Plus the announcers said that fight took 5 years to negotiate that's plumb absurd. That's definitely one of the reasons I'm getting into boxing to improve it on so many levels. Good interesting fights need to happen at the right time none of this avoiding and dancing around
Yeah I'll have to look into that sometime. I caught the airing of mayweather vs pacquiao on espn the other day and it just proves what we both said about unnecessary 8wk training camps. Manny went into that fight with a hurt shoulder if it was me I'd waited until he was 100% but that could be just wistful thinking. The announcers said that fight took 5 yrs to make that's absurd. I've always believed superfights like that should happen while the iron is hot. It's just one of the many reasons why I wanna get into this industry. As much as I love it and geek out talking about it it definitely needs some major major improvements
This promotion of mine probably won't be a reality for at least a few years I need to get into the business first and gain some experience but once that happens it's a definite go. I've read where a promoter can also act as a matchmaker you need licenses for both but where I'm lost is once I have a promoter license do I need a separate one as a matchmaker? I like the hands on approach it'd be easy to hire someone to make the fights but like I said I use the fans mindset cause I'm a fan myself. I don't want the fans put in the mayweather pacquiao situation where it happened years after it should've. It took like 5 years for negotiations that's utterly ridiculous. It'd be nice to see a modern day Chavez Sr that guy was a true warrior if there ever was one. I agree with what you said about promoters needing to work together
This promotion of mine probably won't be a reality for at least a few years I need to get into the business first and learn and gain some experience but once I do it's a definite go. You have to be licensed as a promoter and if you wanted to be a matchmaker you'd need license for that as well. I know most promoters hire people as matchmakers but promoters can also be matchmakers. Where I'm lost is if you'd need two separate licenses for both duties or if one is good enough for both. I like the hands on approach on making superfights happen when they need to happen. It took 5 years for pacquiao mayweather to materialize I don't think fans deserve to be in that situation. Fans deserve the best and promoters should and need to learn to work together
What state are you from? My promotion will likely be based in my home state of Mississippi and it'll probably be in a few years. I need to get into the industry first off and learn and gain some experience before I get my license. Once I do it's a definite go
From Michigan, formerly one of the great homes of boxing, but I've lived all over and in a few years I've no idea where I'll be.
Shakyr, throw us a bone. What's the create a boxer going to be like?
That's cool I just didn't know if you'd be willing to commit to my promotion being all the way up there but the offer still stands. Like I said it'll be in a few years
Yeah that's cool I was born in Memphis but lived in Mississippi all my life so it's probably where I'll always be but like I said it'll be a few years before I can get this deal underway I need to get into the industry first and gain some experience before applying for a promoter license. Better to be safe than sorry
I'm gonna have to get into the industry at some level and learn and gain some experience before I get a promoter license. I want to start out on the right path so it'll probably be at least a few years before this deal gets underway but once it does it's a definite go. Lord willing. I want to make the fights fans want to see and not put them in the mayweather pacquiao situation again. That fight took years and years before it materialized. Can you just imagine back in the day when boxing was the top dog if negotiations for Marciano v Louis stalled and stalled? Fans would've rioted
I know you said you're a Chavez Sr fan I watched him against Oscar De La Hoya tonight. Their first fight. I was wondering your thoughts and do you think they are essential for the game roster? I know I'd like to see Dempsey and Marciano included I have so many favorites and I know not everyone can be included but I feel like today's fans need to know who the legends of this sport are. I'd love to see Tyson fury included
Chavez is kind of game-breaking as a character, so omitting him is entirely reasonable. He was a fighter that could take a seemingly infinite number of punches without faltering or tiring and anything less than that wouldn't represent him as a fighter. Yet, if they include a fighter like that, it would be a virtually guaranteed win. It would be nice to see him recognized for the legend he is, but realistically, how could you do that to the players?
I watched his fight with de Hoya and the first jab Hoya landed opened Chavez up pretty good. They said Chavez was past his prime in that fight but I don't know. I was never an oscar de la Hoya fan. I'm looking forward to pacquiao v broner Jan 19 I'm just wondering if mayweather will bite the hook and have a rematch. Personally I wouldn't pay to see it but that's just me
Chavez was way past his prime at that point, and it was at the absolute peak of De La Hoya's career. Chavez was just too slow and old to keep up with such a spry young fighter.
I also am rooting for Pacquiao, even though I'm not a big fan and honestly think he needs to retire before something bad happens. Still, I'd love to see a faded remnant of Pacquiao beat Adrien Broner. Broner was never a real fighter, and it still pisses me off that anyone ever tried to claim he was great back when his career started.
By the way I don't know if you know or are aware but HBO did a TV movie on Don King. Don King: Only in America I'm not sure how much is true and what's dramatized but I can clearly see why most fighters don't speak to well of him. I know the majority of promoters are shady but I think there's a way to operate and be honest. Last thing I'd want is for a fighter to accuse me or someone on my team a cheater
Pacquiao has nothing more to prove and I think broner is a overhyped tomato can. I've heard and read that if he'd applied himself some say tommy Morrison could've beaten Tyson. I seen on Joe Rogans podcast where Teddy Atlas mentioned Tyson. He said Tyson wasn't really ''all that'' and when he faced someone that posed a real threat he cowered up and backed down. I tend to agree. If you look back at the Douglas fight he clinched too much and the second Holyfield one the ear bite incident came cause he was getting outpointed even though Holyfield was head butting
Tyson in his prime was a fearless monster, but that only lasted for a couple years. The problem for Mike Tyson is he had/has a lot of mental health problems, on top of which he's not a very smart person. The sad truth is that people in his life took advantage of him in unfathomable ways. His promoter, his manager, his wife, even his own family all did everything they could to milk him dry, and treated him like a prized gorilla.
Tyson was a bad kid with exactly one skill--fighting. Cus D'Amato used boxing as a tool to guide him away from random violence, and raised him into a fine young man, although he still had many demons that no one could get rid of. If Cus was alive today, Tyson probably would've been a long-reigning and fondly remembered champion. Unfortunately, without Cus he had no one to tell him right from wrong except the vampires that were telling him all the wrong things. They encouraged his drug abuse because it kept him ignorant of how they were stealing from him. His own team that should've been working to keep Tyson in shape were the ones who told him to go out and party, because they were fleecing him everytime he looked the other way.
He'd have to be a saint not to lose his faith in the world after everything he was put through. But like I said, Mike Tyson was a troubled and not-so-bright boy who grew into a troubled man and when his trust was betrayed he became a broken shell with no ability to trust again. He shamelessly broke the rules of both boxing and society, because he felt no reason to do right if he'd just be stabbed in the back by people who couldn't care less.
It's a shame it went down that way I believe after Cus died Jimmy Jacobs took in Mike then he passed away. Tragedy seemed to plague Tyson. It's one of the reasons why I want to be a promoter not only to be in the fight business but to take someone like that put em on the right path and guide em to the title. I realize not everyone will have your best interest at heart I'm no saint by any means but like I said I want to help someone reach their ultimate potential. Lamotta was another one that seemed a loose screw
Boxing is a bastion of hope for so many, and it fills a unique hole that can't be found in other sports. Only in boxing is individual discipline and responsibility highlighted and rewarded in such a way. In boxing, the discipline you learn in the ring must translate directly to your daily life if you wish to achieve success, due to the incredible demands on your body. The responsibility comes from the fact that no one is watching over your shoulder when you leave the gym, yet what you choose to do when no one is watching directly affects your performance on an unparalleled level. Finally, that is reinforced by the much more personal nature of boxing.
Every fighter has a personal relationship with their trainer, because of the rigor of instruction required to put someone in the ring. Then you get in the ring and it becomes your opponent, and the version of yourself that you decided to bring in there with him. Did you do everything right? If you didn't, you're probably going to be physically punished by the man in front of you, before you have to go back and see the disappointment on your trainer's face.
Yes I totally agree cornermen are so important to a fighter. Do you think Wilder vs Fury II will happen before 2019 ends? Do you think Anthony Joshua is avoiding both
I often wonder how promoters manage to get their fighters into fighting for the sanctioning bodies belts. I believe there are fees to be paid for those belts but there's way too many belts in each class. I think there should be one belt per division. I don't know if the Ring Magazine belt is still as acclaimed as it used to be. It was once the people's champion title but as I said way too many titles nowadays
I think the main thing to implement into this boxing game is the block seperation. It cant be like fight night where you hold one block button to block the head and body. It needs to be like ufc 3 where you hold R1 to block the head and R2 to block the body. Also add gervonta Davis and adrien broner.
I think the main thing to implement into the game is blocking seperation. It can’t be like fight night champion where you hold one button to block the head and the body. It needs to be like UFC 3 where you press R1 to block the head and R2 to block the body. Also add gervanta davis, adrien broner, and Robert Easter jr. If you can’t get all the fighters please add boxer share like EA had on fight night champion that way we can still get the boxers we want.
DO NOT CREATE FAKE FIGHTERS. It is a waste of time just give us about 10-20 real fighters in each division and give us boxer share like Fight Night Champion. We can create and download our own fighters using boxer share. Focus on getting well known boxers on the game and mechanics. Especially focus on blocking R1 for head block and R2 for body blocks.
Getting real fighters is the waste of time. It costs a fortune to get well-known fighters licensed for their likenesses, and the negotiations are usually protracted as hell. Players aren't coming to see 'who would win' or live out pipe dreams of what would happen if they were in the body of an actual fighter. They just want a solid gameplay experience and everything is just petty squabbling because no one is going to reject a game based on who isn't in it. They'll cry, but it will have zero impact on sales or playerbase.
I strongly disagree people don’t want to use fake fighters. They don’t have to be big time fighters but we want real ones. That’s like 2k using fake nba players nobody would play that even if the gameplay is better than live. The gameplay is huge but the fighters are just as important. Personally I think they should use all their time and effort working on getting real fighters and making the best gameplay. If they can’t get real fighters BOXER SHARE IS A MUST. They need to forget about the career mode and the other game modes for now and just zero in on the fighters and the gameplay. Then if they have time and money left over they can spend it on those things.
You're in a real minority there. The #2 criticism of FNC (#1 being spam-exploiting) was the bad career mode that seemed like a tacked-on after thought. FNC's career mode seemed designed to convince players they didn't want career mode by making it as pointless as possible. The campaign mode, on the other hand, was the most loved part of the game, and universally agreed that more of or another campaign was the only DLC people were interested in.
But look man, you don't get it. The enormous amount of investment that it takes to get fighters for a boxing game is the reason you haven't seen a game since FNC. EA didn't start making UFC because boxing games didn't make money; they made way more money than UFC titles. They started makign UFC games because they could talk to one organization and get the rights to all his fighters. It was costing too much time, effort, and money to sign fighters one by one, which you HAVE to do.
So instead of making up lies about how much people want to play as real boxers, remember that what people REALLY want to do is just play a boxing game. FNC's most popular mode by miles was OWC using self-made fighters. People love playing as the people they CREATE, so they can fight using their own style. Not copy someone else's.
What are you talking about the career mode on UFC is so trash I used to play it everyday there’s NOTHING FUN about it. The reason UFC sells so many games is because there’s more fans of the sport and there’s no other organized buy game to buy point blank period. I agree I love the LEGACY mode (Not called campaign) in fight night champion, but I buy the game to play with friends, Im not a loner like some people. So I don’t care as much about the legacy mode or “campaign mode” as much as I do with there being real fighters and great mechanics. When I play my friends I want it to feel like playing a licensed boxing game and not some made up fantasy game, but I guess you just don’t get it because you don’t play with other people.
Guys I don't know if anyone here cares to know but I rewatched Cinderella Man tonight for the first time in a good while. I had seen it years ago but aside from the unnecessary profanity it's still a great movie. I'd love to see both James J Braddock and Max Baer included on the roster. I'm only 26 but I'm a huge fan of the legends and it'd be so cool to have those two featured because I don't know if they've ever been included on a boxing game that I'm aware of. A Marciano biopic would be awesome for sure
I often wonder the process promoters go through to get their fighters involved into fighting for one of the sanctioning bodies belts. I know there are fees to be paid for those belts but aside from that I believe the Ring Magazine belt is still the most prestigious. The people's champion
Ryan do you think boxing would benefit if there was like one promotion or organization and follow the UFC model or do you think that's impossible?? It's easier to get UFC fighters licensed for games since it's one promotion but boxing is so widespread it'd be highly unlikely. I wonder how fighters manage to get involved in the sanctioning bodies titles like the whole process
Of course it would benefit the sport. Boxing is the only major sport in the world (that I know of) without a central governing body of any sort. Even soccer, the most global sport there is has FIFA, even if FIFA only really governs the world cup. That's what I like about the WBSS, it's like a world cup for boxing, and if they get enough power and respect the WBSS could establish standards that carry all the way down to the lowest levels of the sport.
Technically speaking, every boxing promoter is essentially a boxing organization unto itself in the same way UFC exists, or for a broader analogy, like the NFL. This isn't too far off from how soccer works. They have leagues like the premier league which are small-time compared to the world cup, but make a ton of money and essentially cater to a regional fan base for the sport. Then, during the World Cup those leagues take a back seat and entirely new teams are formed regardless of their normal affiliations (although, in this case based on nationality) for this global event.
Boxing could definitely operate in a similar way if WBSS gains enough support. Fighters do everything as normal, fighting under various promotions and going through their usual careers. Then when the WBSS tournament starts, the best fighters begin to congregate from all over the world to compete for the (perhaps one day soon) most coveted prize in boxing. It would give every boxer a singular title that we could all agree shows they were the best in their division at that time in history. And if they establish a hard set of rules specific to the WBSS, then the governing bodies (ie states/countries) would have to conform to the same rules if they want to host fights for the tournament. If it got popular enough, there'd be enormous pressure on every governing body to have uniform rules, because there's so much money in hosting any major sporting event.
Whatever the case maybe it's good that a new game is coming. Yes I agree getting real fighters would be nice and from what I've seen of the roster so far they've got some in there I think will shock and amaze people. It'll never be 100% perfect but it's good to know the long layoff of a boxing game is about over
Yea I agree. Do you think the weigh ins should be on the same day as the fight like it used to be? I think so
I think same day weigh ins lead to dangerous circumstances for fighters, so no. It's reasonable to want to weigh as close to the limit as possible, and it's so easy to gain a pound or two from one day to the next for no reason at all. Fighters have to be able to drop a few pounds for the weigh in, and they need a full day to recover that.
I do think there needs to be a rehydration limit of 10 lbs, however. Which is to say, there needs to be a second official weigh in the day of the fight just to make sure no one was cheating the scales the day before. And let there be no room for interpretation, I am saying that dropping 15-20 lbs the day before the fight to make weight is tantamount to cheating.
You know that's a great idea having a second weigh in cause it definitely would help rule out cheating. I had never thought of that before. Very good suggestion
Should include Rocky Balboa.
Do you guys think mayweather vs pacquiao II will happen this year
I don't think Mayweather is interested in fighting anyone that is a threat to beating him. I think he will continue to do exhibition bouts and make quick easy money. Why fight a possible 12 round grueling fight when you can fight for 2 minutes and make the same money.. I say 12 rounds because I feel Mayweather would beat Pac man by decision again...
Yeah I wholeheartedly agree man
Are any of you guys planning on watching the Pacquiao vs Broner ppv next weekend? Who y'all think wins? I don't believe the claims ppv is a dead format but I think lowering the price would be a great benefit
It is UNFORTUNATE, but true that PPV isn't a dead format. It is however the format responsible for killing the popularity of boxing, and should not exist at any price. You will never convince me that a sport can do better, financially, under a PPV business model.
If you could, the NFL would've been PPV decades ago. They would do literally anything to make more money, but they keep it on the open air because it's the only way to build a brand and maintain popularity.
I wont be watching any PPV fights. I watch the live feeds round by round to see how a fight is going. Its unfortunate that the Promoters have steered the fighters towards wanting to be a PPV star, when they could be bigger stars by keeping active and fighting the best.
They have a lot of fighters just wanting that big payday rather than wanting the best fights for their career. I don't expect them to fight for free, but fighters have to also be exciting and make people want to see them fight.
As far as who I think will win? I don't think Adrian has the stamina to keep up with Pacquiao in the later rounds and will probably get stopped late in the fight. I don't think Adrian is after the win, he is more focused on the big payday and we probably wont see much of him after this fight. I think the biggest fight for Pacquiao right now is Terrance Crawford, who I think beats Pacquiao by decision. It would be a very competitive fight and a must see. PPV will eventually go away due to the growing interest in monthly subscription platforms. I just hope that the greed doesn't follow this new concept and ruin the sport even more.
Yeah what I think is beyond ridiculous is boxing ppvs are beyond beyond expensive and there's really no reason for it. I think the pacquiao broner ppv is I believe around $74. That's totally insane. I understand it's a sport and a business and money is to be made but you can't tell me it could easily be set at a reasonable price. I think if major fights like this happened often and on free television people would be fans instantly
Yessir I agree with everything you said I don't expect things to be like they were in the 50s where you had major title fights on free tv but it'd sure be nice
The 50s? That was as recent as the 90s, and at the time it was highly profitable for both the networks and the promotions. PPV only increased promoters' share of the overall profits, likely by cutting networks out of the deal. On TV, the network is paid by advertisers in advance and the network pays the program up front as well. PPV on the other hand pays after the fact, while fighter's payments are negotiated before the fight. This means it's a great way to get money as promoters without the fighter getting his fair cut.
Yes. Looks like there's a new super middleweight champ Caleb plant I was happy he won
Etiquette, good man. It is beyond rude to post in open forum the outcomes of sporting events. In particular ones which just occurred. Just because you have seen them does not mean that everyone who will watch them already has. I know you meant no harm, but you must have better judgement than that.
I was watching the PBC on Fox card tonight and one of the fighters was from the same state as me Mississippi he's from Southaven. Even though he lost I still think that was pretty cool
Sorry about that
I apologize for that guess I wasn't thinking hope I didn't offend anyone that didn't see it. I just assumed everybody had already caught it again kinda thinking out loud
I'd like to sincerely apologize to anyone that didn't see that pbc fight last night I'm sorry for saying the winner. I spoke without really thinking and hopefully I didn't anger or offend anyone. It wasn't intentional
I think a game mode where you run your own promotion would be cool. Negotiate fights, make the cards, select a city/venue and the success of your promotions leads you to bigger fights/fighters. Also if there is any sort of career mode it should allow you to move up/down 3-4 weight classes.
100% agree with every point here. A manager may be a more reasonable proposition, since a promotion could be too far reaching, but either way this game mode would really add a ton of value to the game.
And a realistic career mode is a must if you're going to make one. This means you do more than hit training camp, pump stats, and fight. First off, almost no one spends their entire career at one weight (except heavyweights). That's because muscles become more dense and heavier as we age, naturally making fighters move up in weight. It isn't just a matter of fighters packing on muscle. Your minimum weight almost always increases with age, and it is NOT due to fat.
Second, a part of career mode that should be explored is the fact that while fighters DO increase in skill over their careers, training camp isn't a matter of becoming better than you were the last fight. You train for the specific opponent you'll be facing. Some of that is permanent, but once you reach the middle of your career most of it is actually temporary skills a fighter learns just to best a single opponent. It isn't talked about in casual crowds, but fighters these days do a lot of opponent-specific training in their camps. They will watch films and see what openings they can find in an opponent and work on the ability to specifically exploit those weaknesses. So this should be a big part of the later career parts of career mode.
It would stop it from feeling like just a slog or having characters get overpowered from constantly beefing up. Fighters would never truly peak until they hit that age, but they wouldn't grow very much after age 25 or so (30 for heavyweights). At that point, you'd begin the path to becoming a champion with the skills you've acquired to that point and each fight you'd attempt to gain an edge on the opponent by tailoring your camp towards beating them. It would add a nice element of strategy where players could analyze opponents and decide for themselves what skills to work on (offensively AND defensively) during camp. You'd also have to consider your own fighting style and how opponents might adjust to fight better against you for that fight. Make sure that you always take into account that they are adjusting to fight you as well, not just the other way around, so they WON'T fight exactly the same in your fight as they did in previous fights. They will be prepared for the exact tactics you usually employ. Of course, a fighter can't just change how they fight during one camp. Don't expect to suddenly throw new punches and/or combinations with success after one training camp. When an opponent prepares for your tactics, you find ways to disguise those tactics, or simply improve them to a level the opponent can't prepare for.
This is what real fighters do in camp, and that's how career mode should work.
Well guys I know y'all probably could care less but I just thought I'd mention that next weekend I get to attend my first ever live boxing event. Prior to this I was starting to feel like less of a fan due to never seeing any fights live in person. I know it's a completely different atmosphere actually being there and I'm really looking forward to it. I haven't the slightest clue who'll be on the card but I'm gonna have fun regardless. I also want to say that I'm sincerely sorry for saying the winner of that pbc bout I just assumed everyone saw it and I spoke without really thinking and for that I apologize. I hope I didn't anger or offend anyone it wasn't intentional
Sorry for mentioning the result of that bout I spoke without thinking I just assumed everyone had seen it I meant no disrespect whatsoever
I would like to see Chris Eubank Sr. & Jr, Michael Watson, and Nigel Benn in the game. All in all I know that licensing can become a huge chore when it comes to putting these games together. With that being said I would just like to see the most realism as humanly possible with a great career mode and numerous titles.
So pretty much what I'm saying is that if the realism is there I'm buying this damn game regardless if all fighters are fictional. I JUST LOVE BOXING THAT MUCH!!!!
Yes realism is a huge huge factor and I know licensing can be a pain but from what I've seen of the roster so far I definitely believe there's gonna be quite a few amazed fans out there when they find out who's included. Do you guys think Wilder vs fury II will happen this year? One day it seems like it will then the next day Fury v Joshua is happening. Do you guys think Joshua is ducking wilder and fury?
Hello Trav, No I dont think he is ducking anyone. I think the problem is the biggest problem boxing has had for decades which is promoters. Hearn & Warren hate each other always will & Wilders team is absolutely unrealistic when it comes to money. We all know Fury won the fight but Wilder was gifted a draw. AJ would KO Wilder. Just my opinion.
Yea man I agree I don't see how that was scored a draw in my mind and from what I saw fury won that fight. Wilder got in those two good knockdowns in round 9 and 12 I just don't know. I think there needs to be better judges in boxing plus one major governing body none of these abc titles. It'd make way more sense if there was one belt in each class. That's what I think turns a lot of folks off boxing too many champions to keep track of
Hey David thanks for the reply. I was wondering who are some of your favorite fighters? I'm 26 but I'm a huge old school fan I like joe Louis Rocky Marciano jack Dempsey etc. what do you think about Teddy Atlas? I know he's a polarizing figure to fans some love him some don't
Hey again Trav....Well I've been a boxing fan since the age of about 5 and now im almost 46 so i've seen a lot in my time. Marvin Hagler is my all time favorite and the MW division is still my thing mostly. I agree with you about the titles. They need to scrap the Jr. and Super weight titles as they make no sense really. Need to go back to just 8 weight classes again like it used to be. Teddy is old school and he's right about a lot of things especially when he talks about corruption. He tells the truth and as you know in todays world people dont like to hear the truth for some reason.
I agree all this super champion stuff is beyond pointless. You either have one champ per class and be done with it. I like Teddy he seems to be on the level I've been meaning to read his memoir. I'm from Mississippi and I think I saw where he was involved in a bar fight at a bar in Biloxi I think during the time he was training Shannon Briggs. Marvin haggler was a true warrior if there ever was one his bout with hitman head she was and still stands as one of boxing all time greatest matches
Oh yes that was quite a fight for sure. Greatest 3 rounds in history. If you havnt already seen it you can go to youtube and watch Hagler defend his title against John The Beast Mugabi in 1986. That was a war all in itself.
Some of my other favorite fighters.......The G.O.A.T. Sugar Ray Robinson, Archie the Mongoose Moore, Julian The Hawk Jackson, Michael Second to Nunn (Still in prison I believe LOL), Chris Eubank Sr., Prince Naseem Hamed, and numerous others. I could keep going for quite some time.
Robinson definitely qualifies as one of the all time greats his rivalry with Jake Lamotta is one of my all time favorites in all the sport. I'm a huge fight fan and I go into total geek mode talking about it. My grandfather watched boxing with his dad in the 50s so it's a tradition in my family watching the fights. UFC is good too but I think boxing is the better of the two sports. There's no reason why someone can't like and follow both. I do
You're right no reason you cant follow both. They are completely different sports which is why I found it absolutely stupid that they would even implicate that Mcgregor could beat Floyd in the boxing ring.
Yes Conor did a whole lot better than I thought he would. I'm not a Conor fan he's a good fighter but his bad language is a huge turnoff to me. I thought it was absolutely ridiculous how it took like 5 years for mayweather and pacquiao to fight but it is what it is. I feel like there'd be more boxing fans if it was on tv more often. I have a hard time keeping up cause I never know when it's on. If it was on every week like it was in the 50s I think people would be more keen on watching it
Really The only questions that matter: When is the release date and what platforms will.it be on???
The release date is sometime this year and it will be on ps4 and xbox one
Did you guys see where the WBC just ordered Wilder v Fury II today? I believe they've got until February 5th to reach an agreement on the purse splits. Do you guys think someone is holding out on one end.
Definitely a great roster so far! Happy to see 2 of my good friends Carlos Adams ( owner of Adam's Boxing ) and Shahin Adygezalov ( pro boxer ) make their gaming debuts! Im excited to see where you guys take this game too i see such high potential! I would love to come test play it ! I live in Los angeles but im always open to travel for this great cause! I have some ideas to help out as well! R4R🥊!!!!
I rewatched Rocky V last night. The one where tommy Morrison basically played himself and it got me thinking the role he played and his real life persona weren't that different and it pains me to see someone who had potential just throw it all away and give in to the easy money and party life. Some said if tommy had truly dedicated himself he stood a good chance at being the man to beat Tyson
Did any of you guys see broner v pacquiao last night? If so what're your thoughts
Broner needs to retire. He was once my favorite fighter but he couldn’t be his own man he wanted to be like mayweather and he clearly isn’t him. He gets into too much trouble and is 3-3-1 in his last 7 fights it’s over for him.
Broner is lazy and in my opinion just trying to legit long enough to make more money. He has so much raw talent but wastes it!! Makes me sick honestly. I will never pay for another fight to watch him. Sooner or later he will end up in jail for quite some time or dead due to the lifestyle he lives. It really is so saddening to see such great talent go to waste.
Yes I agree completely he's also a sore loser PAC controlled that whole fight
Please also add Jarrell Miller Dillian Whyte Dereck Chisora Luis Ortiz and alexander povetkin and also add DAZN and Sky Sports Box Office as the Game boardcasters for ROUND 4 Round Boxing.
I think broner suffers from tommy Morrison syndrome both those guys had so much potential but they'd rather do drugs and party than go all the way with their talent. It is saddening and truthfully it's not the first time in boxing and it definitely won't be the last
Said it before and I'll say it again. Broner was never what people made him out to be. He is a hype job created by Mayweather and simply never more than an average fighter. Sure, he has oustanding hand speed, good power, and an amazing chin, but he didn't have the mental capacity to be a great fighter.
Boxing is a full 50% mental. That's why a guy like Paulie Malignaggi could be a successful professional at the highest level of the game, because his boxing intelligence was among the highest the sport has ever seen. Guys like Malignaggi or Sergio Martinez can actually fight on the same level as the very best in the sport with a fraction of their physical ability just by understanding the game so much better than most. Mind you, those fighters still have reasonable physical ability, just nothing close to top-tier fighters.
Take that over to Broner, a man with many great (but not outstanding) physical abilities, but absolutely zero understanding of the sport, and you have a man who is utterly hopeless. The very first time I saw him fight was about 7 years ago, and even though he won the fight comfortably, I was disgusted by him being treated like he was one of the best in the world. He was unimpressive then, and he has only gotten worse and lazier since.
To be clear, I'm not saying that every great boxer is a genius, but the ones who are great -understand- the sport. Many guys aren't too much smarter than a box of rocks, but that doesn't mean they can't understand boxing. That also doesn't mean intelligence means you'll understand boxing. It's the sort of thing that is unique to the fighter, and it's the main reason while almost no two fighters have exactly the same style.
Every boxer's understanding of the sport is unique, and leads to their own personal approach in the ring. A guy like Broner has no understanding. Watch him in the corner, he responds to his trainer like a trained gorilla. He can do the motions, he can even execute a game plan, but he just doesn't actually understand anything that happens in the ring.
I think it was totally uncalled for broners antics post fight Saturday night. He had absolutely no right to act like that and I think he should go away forever. I think it was ridiculous pacquiao calling out mayweather I for one don't wanna see the rematch but unfortunately the vast majority will plunk down the $100 to see em again. Sad but true
I agree Trav but everyone knows that as long as people will pay to see him he's not going anywhere. He's not capable of beating any of the top welterweights. He should've retired after Mikey beat him like a drum.
You know I've always admired Pacquiao for standing up and speaking on his Christian beliefs as I myself share the same faith as he does and I say this respectfully he needs to retire. He absolutely has nothing more to prove and he will definitely go down as an ATG. If he goes on much longer he could end up like another ATG Ray Robinson. To this day I still say Ray went on a whole lot longer than he should have
Or he could end up fighting at the top level until he's 50 like another all time great Bernard Hopkins. Love him or hate him, until he was forced to take a 2 year absence purely based on NO ONE being willing to fight him, Hopkins was still at the top of the Light Heavyweight division. I mean, Adonis Stevenson openly refused to fight Hopkins through his entire career.
Point is, while I dismissed Pacquiao 5-6 years ago, he looks better now than he did at 34. People are gonna hate me for saying it, but I think a lot of that has to do with his distance from Freddie Roach. Slowly over time, Roach seemed to convince Pacquiao to rely on single punches to win fights with his natural power and unique ability to deliver that power against any opponent. Ever since he took a step back from that approach and returned to his volume-puncher roots, he is fresher, more effective, and has better stamina in the ring.
Yea I agree I'm not a PAC fan per se but I do respect him. It's amazing how both him and foreman both won gold in their 40s and I believe Freddie roach suffers from Parkinson's but yea I wish he'd encourage manny more on volume punching that in fighting style. Sometimes I wonder what Cus Damato would think about the state of todays boxing if he were still here
What do you fellas think Cus Damato would think of the state of boxing if he were here today? He was old school and I know he trained and led Floyd Patterson to the title took Jose Torres under his wing and everyone knows his role with Tyson. I wonder what Cus would've thought about people like Joshua wilder and Fury
Cus was a perplexing man. He was an obstinate man who believed what he believed no matter what anyone said. But he was also the type of person who believed there was always room for boxing to advance and evolve, despite the time he came from. He also tirelessly observed flaws in boxers and his primary objective was eliminating weaknesses in his fighters' game. If you watch some of his interviews, of which there aren't many, he mostly talks about the weakness of old school fighters and their inability to compete in the modern age (modern being the 70s and 80s for him).
I think he'd have no end of criticism for Joshua, who is a still just a paper champion who never fought anyone half good, except Parker against whom he got away with murder with the ref as his accomplice. If it was possible to coach Wilder, which I'm not sure anyone could at this point, he'd make Wilder into a truly unbeatable monster. As for Fury, I think he'd like Fury's game a lot, and he would almost certainly consider Fury as the man to beat by any standard.
The most interesting thing about Cus as a trainer is his belief that fighters are who they are and a trainer's job is to maximize what that fighter can do with what they have. Anything else was a waste of time at best, and ruined the fighter in most cases. He wasn't going to train Mike Tyson to fight like Ali, because the tools Tyson had were not the same. He had a beautiful way of observing fighters and knowing what to teach them to take what they have and fill the gaps.
Most famously for Tyson, it was the peek-a-boo defense that gave him a sort of split-second shield behind which he could charge straight in and not take the first punch thrown his way. For Tyson, he just needed to avoid that one punch on his way in, because once Tyson landed on the inside, the punches stopped coming back.
You know that's a very good observation and I agree I think he's definitely like Fury. It's almost like Cus had a sixth sense on Tyson it's like he just automatically knew Tyson had that ''it'' factor and he knew exactly how to mold and handle him. I think a lot of today's trainers could learn a few tricks from the old guard I don't necessarily mean copy everything but just little tidbits here and there. Did you hear about Roach calling out furys head trainer Ben Davidson over his managing of the wilder fight. I understand Ben is just 26years old
I hold the rather unpopular position that Freddie Roach isn't what he's made out to be. He's a great trainer, and he understands the game extremely well, but his mindset of victory through power blinds him to what is really going on at times. He seems to believe if a fighter is fast enough and skilled enough to defend properly, they are also able to attack and not get hurt back. That couldn't be farther from the truth, though, and had Fury not played so safe, he definitely would have been knocked out. Just like Pacquiao v Marquez IV.
Yeah and I agree with you on Joshua he hasn't really fought anyone with substance though I very much enjoyed his bout with wladmir but I feel like he's just Hearns puppet boy. I dare say if he does fight Fury in the future I'm gonna go onboard and say Fury beats him
can you also add women boxers like Claressa Shields and Katie Taylor also add the gender change in the create boxer screen please.
To be brutally honest no one cares if women are on the game or not!
Do any of you guys know if Kevin Rooney is still involved in boxing?? I know he was Tysons trainer after Atlas left Cus gym but it seems like he's fallen off the earth. Just a thought
Yea I agree there. What would you say makes someone a worthwhile trainer? Would they have to have experience in the Ring on the amateur or pro level or could they get by with just knowledge alone? I know former fighters can be terrible trainers and some that don't have fighting experience and vice versa
One word: Insight. The depth of a trainer's insight is the limit of his ability. Lomachenko's father may just be the greatest boxing trainer that ever lived or ever will. The unorthodox training Loma underwent has been talked about so much I won't even mention it. What isn't talked about enough is the genius level of insight it took for him to understand an absolute commitment to an outside discipline, learned with no intention of applying it to boxing, would elevate the skills of a dedicated boxer in such specific an meaningful ways.
Everyone knows that Loma was required to take traditional dance classes for years. What made it so effective was that he had 100% commitment to just dance lessons. He was not allowed to train for boxing at all, it was as if his boxing career was over, and now he was a dancer. Then, years later, his father had him pick up the gloves again for the first time and view boxing through the eyes of someone who now came from something else entirely.
Just thought I'd let you guys know that I think I read they are making a movie on Cus I think it's called Cornerman and I believe Bruce Willis is playing him. I really hope it tackles him training Patterson and Jose Torres. Damato sure was an interesting yet mysterious man
Whens this game coming out. I cant wait much longer for a boxing game.
Wow I never knew any of that. That's pretty remarkable and unique
This boxing rooster looks crap! No big names at all. Jeff Lacey...thought he was finished after Joe calzaghe hahaha. Get some big names on there. Canelo, Joshua, wilder, Fury. Need some legends as well, Tyson , Mayweather, Pacquiao etc
Bring back the fight night series.
It’s not easy gettin fighters for a boxing game relax! It’s not like UFC where they can get permission from Dana white to put all the fighters on the game. Since boxers have their own management they have to contact each and every boxer. Also most big name boxers won’t do it for free!
Regardless of who makes or doesn't make the roster it's still wonderful that a new boxing game is coming. We all have our likes and dislikes. Nothing is perfect
You know everyone seems to think trainers have to of had experience fighting in order to train and mold a fighter but I think it really comes down to how well they can relay the message to their fighter. I believe it was Cus that said fighting is more mental than it is physical and that fear is a fighters best friend. I'm longing for the day a modern day Marciano comes in and sweeps their respective division. I hope it happens
I actually agree with you here for the most part. The thing about trainers having experience is that it's nearly impossible to understand what happens inside a boxing ring unless you've been in there. Boxing is incredibly complicated, and nothing could demonstrate that more than MMA figthers trying to get into boxing. Even the elite MMA stars are absolute boxing amateurs, and there's many reasons for that. The point is, just watching boxing is almost certainly never going to be enough to learn the game. In fact, even if you learn how to train from a professional trainer, you probably won't really know how to do the job if you've never had a serious boxing match.
Personally, I've never been in a serious match, but I've done a lot of sparring. For awhile there I would spar for a couple hours every day with a light heavyweight just because he was the only fighter who was in the gym who wanted to put in the time sparring. Mind you, my walkign around weight was 145 at the time and I would've fought 135 if I ever persued it.
It would be great if you could include a tournament mode with the option of selecting boxers and having random boxers selected for you, this will give the game some longevity. There must be a Career/Championship Mode with the ability to change weights.
The controls are very important and personally using the movement stick as per EA sports Fight Night Champion was groundbreaking.
The ability to create and share boxers would also make the game a huge hit.
Yes I agree. In your opinion why do you think Teddy Atlas is so regarded as the be all end all boxing expert? From what I've read he only had one amateur match then had a back injury and Cus convinced him to be a trainer. Is is possible his knowledge came from helping Cus all those times
I don't think most people value Teddy Atlas' opinion all that much. I've heard many fighters and commentators speak poorly of him as both a man and as a trainer. That isn't to say he is without respect in the community, but he's very divisive. As for what he knows, I think it's mostly borrowed knowledge, rather than first hand. He often says similar things to Cus, although he lacks the true insight and gets things wrong about half the time by my own assessment.
The one thing Teddy does do right is his focus on defensive attack. A signature of Cus D'Amato's philosophy, Atlas also believes you should always be defending when you attack. That is to say, your punches should utilize angles and motions that make you more difficult to hit when you throw, even when compare to when you are strictly defending.
Teddy also says that a fighter isn't really a fighter until they're truly tested by adversity. He said Tyson never faced adversity he always crawled into a hole and hid. Atlas thinks the reason Tyson did what he did in the second Holyfield fight was because evander was bringing it to mike and mike couldn't and didn't know how to handle that
When is the likely release date????
I think sometime this year
What's everyone's general opinion on Sonny Liston? I think he qualifies as an all time great he had great punching power. I think him and Marciano would've had a fantastic fight
I think all boxers from that era should be recognized. Yes we had some that deserve to be on a higher level, but they were using 5-6 ounce gloves back then and they also went 15 rounds. To top it off, they used horse hair for glove padding and later on started mixing horse and badger hair for glove padding. I think all boxers from back then were a lot different from today's boxers. Can you imagine getting hit by Mike Tyson with 6 oz gloves? He wouldn't have KOs, he would have Kills....
Not to take anything away from the fighters of today, I think that the boxers now are more refined and have a lot more to work with than they did back in the early years. By saying that it makes for harder competition if they decide to fight the best.
But to answer your question Trav, I would agree that Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano were definitely all time greats.
Sonny Liston is impossible to have an opinion on because no one can truly say how good he was or wasn't. He fought for the mob, and they fixed some, if not all of his fights. He might well have been the greatest fighter that ever was, or he might've been nothing special at all.
What we do know is that by all accounts, Sonny Liston was considered to be an unstoppable man with fists like freight trains, a granite chin, and good boxing skill. The losses to Clay (Ali) are well known to be the result of match fixing, even if it could never be proven. Ultimately, he lived and died as mysterious figure in boxing that can never be legitimately quantified.
Hey Allen thanks for the reply. I agree with you I'm a huge Marciano fan and really the first guy to get me into boxing as Jack Dempsey. I saw his 1919 fight against Jess Willard on YouTube and was instantly hooked. I dare say I think if Dempsey and Marciano were to of fought in their primes it'd been an instant classic. I've read where I think Marciano considered coming out of retirement to either fight Liston or Flyod Patterson but later dropped the idea. Those would've been amazing bouts too
Hey Allen I never knew all that about the horsehair Gloves that's some cool info right there. Did you know Jack Dempsey used to use pine gum to strengthen his jaw and to toughen his skin he'd soak in brine? I definitely think a lot of today's fighters would benefit wonderfully if they'd use some old school methods here and there. I feel like a lot of today's fighters aren't as tough as the old guard though not to put anyone down just my thought. I'm looking forward to Fury-Wilder II. How about you?
Yes I agree. Are you aware of the Ali vs Henry cooper fights? I believe it wa the rematch where clays glove split in two and he suffered a knockdown and I think Dundee gave him smelling salts which is illegal. Some say clay cheated Cooper
Was it illegal that the time? I don't think it was always the case. I'm not familiar with that fight, though. I will say that Ali has always been a very suspicious figure to me. I'm not saying he wasn't an amazing boxer, but there are things about him that make be not fully believe he was all he was made out to be. There's a handful of fights in his career that just seem off. Including the big Foreman fight. You watch Ali Frazier and it's hard to imagine the same man who fought Frazier is the one who could supposedly roll off every punch Foreman threw until the man exhausted himself. Not to mention there's the fact that it was in a highly corrupt country where the King had personal ties to the head of government. It's all very suspicious. Like maybe somebody drugged Foreman and the world never found out.
Yea I've never been an Ali fan my maternal grandfathers dad was an Ali fan when he was Cassius Clay but turned on him during that whole draft dodging mess. I always assumed Ali was overhype's not saying he wasn't talented it just seems to me people rate him as the be all end all. Same with Tyson
It always amazed me that Will Smith did the film Ali, considering he insists the man is an inspiration and a friend to him. I don't know if you've seen the movie, but it casts Muhammad Ali in an extremely negative light. From his use of star power to gain unjust favor with prominent Muslim groups, to draft dodging, to--worst of all--his treatment of his own wife. All in all, it makes Ali look like a truly despicable person. That isn't to say it's inaccurate, I can't say, but the point is to portray him in such a negative movie seems so very strange.
I've seen that movie. Just recently as a matter of fact. The only will smith movie I've seen as I'm not a fan of his. You have to talk any biopic with a grain of salt really not everything will be accurate. I read weeks ago that Sylvester Stallone is planning a biopic on Jack Johnson. That'd be very interesting
He should make it so you are able to go rapid speed like Roy Jones or other amazingly fast fighters so you can feel like a true superstar and feel the power of a superstar like Ali in their prime.
Yes I have seen that movie quite recently as a matter of fact. I agree I don't know how accurate it is but like most biopics you have to take it with a grain of salt. I heard that Stallone is planning a movie on Jack Johnson that'd be very interesting for sure. I've seen little footage of him but years ago I watched his 1915 fight against Jess Willard on YouTube. YouTube has been a wonderful experience for me in viewing fights
Is it just me or is boxing at its best when it's watched by a group of fans instead of watching it solo? I'm talking having friends over for a fight party. I caught the Mcgregor Khabib fight at one of these parties and got into a discussion with a gentleman for most of the night. Conversation began on MMA but switched to boxing. Marciano was a big topic discussed. I personally enjoy fight parties
That's just a given. Boxing is a complicated sport and having someone to talk about a match with can enhance both understanding and enjoyment of the event. It's easy to miss something or misinterpret it, so even another friends sitting in front of the same TV can see the fight quite differently. Even if you agree, it's fun to look deeper into the fight and break down why a fighter is or isn't having success. At least, I find that to be a lot of fun, but I always view boxing from the technical side.
Yeah this guy had to of been older than me but he knew Marciano all that stuff I brought up. By the way I have seen that Ali movie I thought will smith did a good job considering I'm not a fan of him. Like you I don't know how accurate it is but with films like these you gotta take it all in stride. I wouldn't mind seeing a movie on Cus or Dundee. Getting it from a cornermans perspective is interesting at least to me it is
So it had to be fairly accurate. The Ali family had a role in the script and they didn't cry foul about any of the depictions. I'd say the film is fairly accurate. What's strange to me is that the people surrounding the film seem to think it has an overall positive presentation of Muhammad Ali, but they must be looking through rose colored glasses. As an unbiased viewer who was interested in seeing a film about Ali, I was very put off by it. Not the movie, but by his private life as depicted. It was like he had no sense of empathy whatsoever, and didn't who he hurt as long as he could enhance his celebrity.
I know for a fact he said terrible terrible things to Frazier but I believe he apologized years later. I've just never bought into Ali's hype I wasn't alive in the 60s 70s so I've based my opinion of him from the footage I've seen. Not to say he wasn't gifted the man had amazing speed and footwork but when I list or tell people who are my favorite boxers he doesn't make the cut. To each his own I guess. I agree with you there needs to be a modern day film on Joe Louis what that guy achieved and had to go through in his era is downright amazing. I'll go on record and say that YouTube has been a wonderful tool in watching and discovering Fights of today and the past
I've just always felt like Ali was overhyped not to say he wasn't gifted the man had speed and great footwork but I've always wondered why so many consider him and Tyson the be all end all of boxing. I wasn't around in Ali's era so I've based my views on him from what footage I've seen. When I talk Boxing or list all my favorites he doesn't make the cut but to each his own I suppose. I'm with you a modern day big budget film on Joe Louis would be amazing. What that guy achieved and went through in his day is downright mesmerizing. He attained great success but seemed plagued by tragedy
Any of you guys gonna watch the card tomorrow night on ESPN? I believe Alvarez vs Kovalev II is the main bout and I think Oscar Valdez is returning too. Should be a good night of fights
Ryan I know you said that you used to spar but never had any real fights. Do you ever regret not pursuing it fully? You ever feel like if you'd gone as far as you could that you could've been a great one? Apologize in advance if that sounds too intrusive but thought I'd ask. Hate to pull the ''what if'' card I know we all have our moments with those two words
OH, without question I regret not having the chance. I was honestly too old when I first joined a boxing gym (18), but I still had time. Then I had a serious rotator cuff tear in the gym that took almost a year to heal. When I was healed up, the gym I'd gone to had closed down. Then next time I got into the gym I was 26, and honestly, I was so out of shape that after 2 years of committed training I could still barely go 3 rounds. I would've stuck with it, but the gym I went to closed down again and I was dealing with depression and couldn't be bothered to get push myself into a new place.
Yeah man it can happen. Most of the gyms around my area are not pure boxing it's mostly that boxercise or it'll be a boxing MMA combo. Real boxing gyms like the Rocky days are hard to come by now
Just thought I'd let you fellas know that Teddy has a podcast now it's called The Fight with Teddy Atlas and it's on YouTube. I listened to some of it last night it's 2hrs long. I know Teddy is a polarizing figure but some of what he said is very true. He talks about Wilder v Fury and how corruption plays a huge role
Did anyone catch the fights last night? I was really impressed by Oscar Valdez I thought he put in a good showing considering the long layoff
Fellas I finally watched the Canelo vs Fielding fight today and it got me thinking: was there ever a realistic chance Rocky had at beating Canelo? I hate to downplay a fighter because Rocky seems like a nice guy but I feel like he was fed to Canelo as easy picking to lure more subscribers to DAZN. Be interested in hearing y'all views
It wasn't so much that Fielding was fed to Canelo. Canelo had a contract he had to fulfill with DAZN which put him in a bad spot because of the incredible battle he'd just been through with GGG. He didn't HAVE to fight when he did, but if he didn't he would've been at their mercy by the time he was recovered. To avoid that situation, he took a fight he knew he could win against an opponent who was just excited to be in the ring with him. And Fielding did see it that way, he was just eager to fight Canelo, one of the best in the world, but he didn't lie down. He thought he had a puncher's chance and went for it.
If Canelo wasn't fighting for a title, it never would've flown, but Fielding was unfortunate enough to be a champion at the time. Even if that was only because there's so many belts that there's almost always someone with a belt who's basically journeyman level.
TABLE OF CONTENT
1. OVERVIEW 4
2. TOP WISHES (Priority) 4
3. GAMEPLAY 4
3.1 Add flurries 6
3.2 Evasive Roll 6
3.3 Shoulder Roll 6
3.4 The one-two Combination 6
3.5 Feinting, Taunting, Taking a knee & switching stances 7
3.6 Punching from the guard 7
3.7 Leaping/lunging punch 7
3.8 Second gear speed 7
3.9 Slipping while moving 7
3.10 Moving while you’re punching 8
3.11 Throwing punches with varying power 8
3.12 Punch retraction animation seed: 9
3.13 Arm Muscle fatigue/Lactic Acid build up: 9
4 FIGHT NOW 9
5 CAREER (LEGACY) 10
5.1 Era-specific career modes: 11
5.2 Amateur things 12
5.3 Promoters 12
5.4 Sparring Partners 13
5.5 Superstars have demands 14
5.6 Real Life Counterparts 15
5.7 Trainers 15
5.8 Money Spender 16
5.9 Message Center 16
5.10 Arrange Fights 16
5.11 End of Year Awards 17
6 GRAPHICS AND PRESENTATION 17
7 REALISM AND ACCURACY 20
8 BUGS/THINGS TO FIX 20
9 SETTINGS/SETTING SLIDERS 20
10 GAMEPLAY SLIDERS 21
11 CAB MODE(Create A Boxer) 21
12 CAB SLIDERS 22
13 RATINGS 22
14 TENDENCIES 23
15 ONLINE MODE 25
16 MISCELLANEOUS 26
16.1.1 Custom Configurations 26
16.2 New modes 27
16.2.1 Create a Title 27
16.2.3 Tournament Mode 29
16.2.4 Round Robin Mode 29
16.2.5 Match Maker Mode 30
16.2.6 Record Mode 33
16.2.7 Training Modes 33
17 REFERENCES 34
17.1 Trunks (excel) 34
17.2 How to create a boxer(excel) 34
17.3 Stadiums (excel) 34
17.4 Amateur stuff (excel) 34
17.5 Java tendency slider App example (java app) 34
Fight Night Round 4 was a great game, probably the best boxing game to date and a great foundation to build on. The physics engine was a great innovation and removing all the gimmicks for R3 was a smart move, but other some mistakes were also made. Though the game was great, many people were turned off by the lack of buttons and for others the game got old really quick. The reason for that is that the game needed more DEPTH, CUSTOMIZATION and OPTIONS in all aspects of the game to give it more long term playability. Meaning gameplay, online, CAB, presentation, etc, especially in a boxing game. This is why POETIC created a wishlist thread on the EA forums and then built his dream team of wisher; we have worked together and organized the best wishes in a reader friendly manner. Special thanks to POETICDRINK2U, Indigo72 aka PrettyBoy, xxxReignMakaxxx, PAPINOSIS, Edgeshot72, MackMoon, Omega, PRGUY, CountryBoy and myself WellLoved.
2 TOP WISHES (Priority)
More create a boxer options
WATCH MODE (Spectator Mode) -Being able to watch the other fight's so you can maybe pick up weaknesses and strengths when your maybe thinking of fighting that certain fighter
Record Whole Fights
Editing existing boxer ratings (offline)
Remove the Glued effect from inside fighting
Make the game a true boxing simulation, simulation is not a synonymous with boring, on the contrary it adds more depth. A simulation boxing game should allow you to do exactly what real boxers can do in real life. If someone wants to try to rush another boxer and try to draw him into a brawl that’s his choice but the game shouldn’t have the flaw of forcing me to fight his fight, which is the case right now. Give us the full arsenal that a boxer has at his disposal for offense and defense.
Realistic Corner (Optional points in the corner mode)
Improved AI (see tendencies)
TKO stoppages-(Stoppages by the ref/doctor/corner men from damage and cuts)
Pre-fight instructions with authentic refs
Refs in the ring-breaking up clinches and calling a fight
A Pool of- Referees, Judges, and Trainers (with different tendencies and criteria used)
Stops due to too many unanswered punches
(optional)-blocking on the move
Physicality, there needs to be more not punch related physical contact during infighting, i.e. leaning, taller heavier boxers should be able to lean on other boxers to affect their stamina.
Better Ropes physics make them less stiff there are a lot more threw the rope KO’s in reality.
Leaning on the ropes should help recover stamina
Spaghetti-legs - where are the wobbly legs? After a knockdown sometimes your legs get stiff.
There should be torso stances and footwork styles separately-For
instance Larry Holmes and Muhammad Ali had very similar torso stances
but different footwork styles.
Off balance/Flash knockdowns (when you're not hurt and can get up very easily) Balance should be more of a factor. If a fighter is tired he may lose balance, Rushing forward may collide with the ropes, the other fight, or a punch. A fighter may miss a haymaker and fall.
Lower punch accuracy/punch tracking (this is set way too high a
Off balance/Flash knockdowns (when you're not hurt and can get up very easily) Balance should be more of a factor. If a fighter is tired he may lose balance, Rushing forward may collide with the ropes, the other fight, or a punch. A fighter may miss a haymaker and fall.
Lower punch accuracy/punch tracking (this is set way too high and robs guys like Whitaker of his abilities
The Jab (Should have more power and also offset your opponents punches on occasion and should also stop your opponent in their tracks when walking into the punch) overall the jab needs to play a more important role in terms of strategy and gameplay
-Offsetting your opponents punches (on occasion when a clean punch is landed as your opponent is throwing a punch it should offset your opponent’s punches causing them to miss you. It’s another form of a counter that is not currently represented )
Health Meter and Damage( Health should regenerate slower and standard power punches should have a bigger impact on health)
Quicker more responsive footwork
If you keep illegal blows fix them and make them more realistic, make them look like accidents i.e. leaning in with the head as if you about the throw a punch it shouldn’t be a sure hit
3.1 Add flurries
Pros: Good for finishing your opponent or just landing shots
Cons: Lose in stamina and accuracy, also can leave you open for counters
(While not holding block button)
3.2 Evasive Roll
Similar to the bob n weave mechanic only it allows you to slip and move left or right, similar movements could be performed using quarter circle motions
3.3 Shoulder Roll
Flicking The Right stick left or right while blocking can a perform shoulder roll
3.4 The one-two Combination
I would like to see a distinct animation for this combo to add realism.
Currently the jab has to retract before cross is thrown which makes it
seemed robotic; also the boxer doesn't lean into the cross at all. To
simplify it I would like to see this
Read more: http://boxinggamewishlist.proboards.com/thread/7/wishlist-ea-possession#ixzz5ehuEJ2mK
What do you fellas make of Rocky Fielding? I finally watched his fight with Canelo yesterday and it seems to me like he was easily fed to Canelo to hype up DAZN. Not to take anything away from Canelo he's a good fighter it's just I feel like no one gave Rocky a fighting chance. Maybe Fielding was never that good I've only seen that fight and the one where he lost to Callum Smith. I like to give fighters the benefit of the doubt I don't disrespect any fighter I respect people that choose this as their profession. It takes real guts to be a pro fighter
Fielding is hard to gauge against the likes of Canelo. It seems like he lost the fight before he stepped in the ring. It's like he was scared and didn't give himself a chance. We will see in his next one or two fights.
Do you think Fielding will ever be anything more than a journeyman? I don't think he's nearly as bad as some fans make him to be
Good or bad is a very relative thing. Relative to the majority of professional fighters, Fielding is well above them. He's probably not even a top 10 super middleweight, though. Of course, it's a bit hard to tell because people move around in weight classes so much that it's hard to tell who is really in any given division--a bad side-effect of the intermediate weight classes.
He's not garbage, but there was no excuse for him holding a title as far as I'm concerned. That's on the WBA, a sanctioning body with a history of weak champions and the ONLY one to establish a permanent second ('super') champion just to sponge more sanctioning fees from boxers. Any WBA belt not even a legitimate title if you ask me.
I'd love to see fighters start to reject the WBA belts. How satisfying would it be to have fighters win the title and just decline it under the pretense of not recognizing that particular title?
It just drives my point of having one sanctioning body and one champion per class more home. It's beyond me how there are four sanctioning bodies and there's like four probably more champions in each weight class. It should be one hvyweight champ one middleweight champ one welterweight champ so on so on. This is the main cause I think drives people away from boxing: it's so hard to keep up with. If there was one champ in each class people would easily remember and be more inclined to follow the sport as a whole
You're not wrong, which is why the status of 'lineal champ' is a legitimately sought after title. Even if there's not belt to go along with it, the last man to beat the man in line is about the best anyone can claim. It's still muddy, but it's something worth coveting.
In my opinion, none of the sanctioning bodies are without tremendous fault. The WBC was Don King's puppet for decades, despite the belt -usually- being held by the top fighters. The WBA is so corrupt they have two official champions and yet their belts are still often held by essentially placeholders waiting for someone to move up or down a weight class and win the belt from a weak opponent before immediately vacating. Most importantly, all four groups officially recognize and actively work with each other so that none of them can claim the other belt holders aren't real champions. It's all a scam to milk boxers dry while doing essentially nothing.
it should be an option in a boxing video game to add take away boxing organizations. A fan can't ask for a sim/realistic then want things taking away that is in boxing.Create an organization and title should be an option. it could increase the game fan base. It doesn't or shouldn't have to affect online modes but offline modes shouldn't be denied a wide variety of options. http://boxinggamewishlist.proboards.com/board/1/general-boxing-videogame-wishlist-discussion
Yes so right. Did you know Don King got in trouble in the 70s for I think paying off the Ring Magazine to rank his fighters? At one time the Ring Magazine belt was regarded as the people’s champion I don’t know if that’s still the case today but it makes sense when you think about it. I agree on the sanctioning bodies all a bi money grab
Yes I’m sure Fielding was excited on being in the Ring with Canelo as it was a huge honor for him. Is it realistic at all to make one sanctioning body that oversees the sport as a whole instead of all this confusion? I’m in total agreement that the WBA should disappear
No, a global sanctioning body isn't reasonable. Boxing is too big and recovery times are so inconsistent that it'd be impossible to regulate it as one big governing body. I've said before that the World Boxing Super Series should become the most important title in boxing, and I stand by that.
What would help is if we shrank the sport's perspective most of the time. I think boxers should compete regionally with regional sanctioning bodies, and only compete globally when the super series comes around and we can see who is the best in the world.
Yes. You mentioned Cus the other day are you aware of the 1995 movie Tyson where George C Scott plays Cus. It’s available on YouTube I don’t know how accurate it is but they go into detail on Tyson’s ride and fall
In your opinion do you think boxing is in a good place right now? I’m talking the sport as a whole do you think it’s making a comeback in popularity? I’ve heard some say it’s better than ever before then I hear some with that old tired saying of it’s dying or dead. I realize a lot of attention is on the heavyweight division but I still stand by my claim the other classes are just as if not more exciting. It’s all subjective. This sport has been around for centuries and it’ll be here long after we are. I don’t see it going anywhere
Boxing is in a bit of a renaissance, has been basically ever since Mayweather retired. That said, the sport is not in a great position, regardless of that. Fact is, boxing may be gaining popularity, but it's coming from such a low point that the sport really was on the verge of collapse. With a push away from traditional PPV towards streaming services like DAZN, there may be some additional hope for the future. Those services will make more money per year than PPV would have, and yet viewers will spend less money per fight. Both sides win, because the problem with PPV is most people can't afford it, and if they do, most of those buy ONE fight in a year at most. With a streaming service, instead of $80+ for one fight in a year, you might pay something like $150-$300 per year, but you don't just get 2-4 fights for that money, you get access to 1-2 fights per month. It's a good deal for viewers and a it's a hell of a lot more money they are going to make.
Honestly, with traditional TV not doing so great these days, streaming services are a good compromise, because you can pick what content you want to pay into and get a lot of just the things you want. My only complaint is that DAZN is a total ripoff in the US. Despite paying the same price as other markets, US watchers on the same services have access to 10% of the sports available to almost everyone else. I don't blame Eddie Hearn, who put together the deal for boxing streams. In fact, he's the only reason we have DAZN access at all. The problem is all the other content providers haven't given them license to broadcast in the US.
That’s basically why I’ve never purchased a ppv it’s too expensive and quite honestly you never know what you’re getting. If the fight goes the distance or lasts 5 seconds or isn’t as good as you’d hoped then you just wasted $60-$75 or so. Like it or not streaming is the future
Personally, I love streaming, and not just from the perspective of a content consumer. From the perspective of content creators, it provides revenue stream that is based on desire to see their content, rather than trying to get people to buy products from ads. It also gives the service exact numbers on viewership, instead of the terrible Nielson ratings system which was horrifically inaccurate. Some of the most beloved shows with the highest viewership got cancelled due to low ratings, just because the infinitesimally small sample size of the Nielson families didn't watch them.
The point is, streaming is the best thing that ever happened to both sides of the arrangement. We get content we want to watch, and they get direct compensation from viewers for their content. No middle-man advertisers telling a network that they don't want to be associated with the kind of content being shown. Over the last 30 years, all content has become milder and less 'offensive' because advertisers didn't want to advertise alongside something that might offend people. If your content offended 1% of the population (like a bloody boxing match might), then that 1% might create a loud enough voice that it caused ads to bet pulled from the show. No one can take the risk that they would get ads pulled or even be sued by advertisers for injury to their brand. Ad-free streaming has none of those concerns, so the creators can ignore the segment of the population that hates their content and focus exclusively on how many people DO want to see what they make.
True. Can anyone out there suggest any boxing books you’ve read or seen that’d be great. I’ve read Jake Lamotta memoir and enjoyed it but I’m looking to expand my boxing library. It could be about a fighter or a trainer or the sport as a whole
MY PLAYER CREATION SYSTEM
First of all i know a boxing game better than fight night champion will get a huge sales boost, BUT it need a great gameplay system and a great player career mode
1. FACE SCAN TECHNOLOGY
2. NOT A DATE OF RETIREMENT AND UNRETIRE OPTION ALSO (WITH OVERALL SKILLS DOWN TO REGAIN)
3. AFTER 38 OVERALL SKILL GO DOWN SLOW IF THE PLAYER IS NOT A POUND 4 POUND KING CHAMP
4. LET US GO DOWN IN WEIGHT OR UP IN WEIGHT 9AFFECTING POWER STAMINA SPEED ETC) BUT LETS US GO FOR OTHER BELTS
5. MAKE TEXTURES FOR OLDER GUYS IF WE STILL PLAYING AT 43 LETS US LOOK LIKE 43 NOT 30
6. LET US HAVE A PROMOTOER AND MANAGE OUR CAREER WITH THEM, PPV, MONEY TO BUY GYMS ETC
7. MAKE AND EASY BUT GOOD TRAINING CAMP SYSTEM, AND MAKE THE PLAYER LOOK IN GREAT SHAPE IF WE DO A GEAT CAMP, IF WE MISS SOME WEEKS OR DAYS MAKE THE LOOK FAT OR NOT GOOD SHAPE
8. MAKE THE WEIGHT IN VALID IN GAME, IF WE MISS A POUND OR SO WE GET PENALTY OR HAVE TIME TO GO DOW IF WE CANT WE LOSE MONEY OR BELTS
9. MAKE A GREAT ONLINE WOLRD RANK BY WEIGHT SYSTEM (SO WE CAN FIGHT ONLINE FOR BELTS)
10. MAKE THE TRAINER HAVE AND IMPACT ON PLAYER, DEPENDING THE TRAINER CUT MAN, THE FAST WE GROW SKILLS
DONT MAKE A GAME TO LIMIT US, MAKE THAT WORTH MONEY AND REALLY IS A NEXT GENERATION CONSOLE GAME, WITH HARDCORE GRAPHICS.
HOPE YOU HEAR THE FANS THAT WILL MAKE YOUR GAME UNBEATEABLE A REAL POUND4POUND KING GAME.
Thanks for working on this game its really needed!!!!
Please add Texas fighters Omar Figueroa and Spence im pretty sure they wont charge alot since they are game freaks based on their snapchat posts.
Is anyone out there aware or read the book on Cus D’Amato called Confusing the Enemy: The Cus D’Amato Story? I believe it’s a biographical novel I haven’t read it but am curious to see if any of you fans have and if it’s worth picking up
Just wondering if anyone out there has heard of or read the new book on Cus called Confusing the Enemy: The Cus D’amato Story? I believe it’s a biographical novel. I haven’t read it yet just thought I’d see if anyone has and if it’s worth picking up
Is anyone out there looking forward to the Wilder vs Fury II? I know I am I’m gonna throw my opinion out there and say Fury wins the rematch. Wilder is a good slugger has fast hands and can win by KO if he tries but I think he needs to improve on a few things. You can really tell he’s lacking in some areas
I pick Wilder because his athleticism and punching power. Fury tasted Wilder power and will move around too much and get tired and caught.
As an experienced analyst, I feel confident in saying Wilder doesn't lack the things people seem to think he does. His feet are every bit as fast as Fury's, although Fury's hand speed is admittedly second to none in the heavyweight division. Wilder's boxing is top-notch when he actually tries to box, but everyone forgets that, because they want to believe he's a one-trick pony.
If Wilder comes in healthy, it's a clear-cut victory. His right hand was less than 50% in the first fight. As he often has in his career, Wilder came in with an injured right arm and couldn't throw it straight most of the time. That's why you saw him so frequently not actually missing, but throwing punches that didn't even need to be dodged because they fell short of the target to begin with.
I believe 100% that a healthy Deontay Wilder is the #1 heavyweight in the world. It's a shame that he's injured in most of his fights because when a man throws with that kind of power, it takes an overwhelming toll on the body.
Yeah I’m still amazed at how Fury got up from that knockdown in round 12. Looked like to me he was out cold but I totally respect his effort. I very much enjoyed the fight
Yes I agree I wasn’t knocking Wilder I like him too. I think the rematch will be very interesting and I’m looking forward to it. I was watching the footage of the first Michael Moorer-Evander Holyfield fight the other day and at the end of round 8 Teddy Atlas sat on Moorers stool and asked if he wanted him to take over. Some say that Atlas did that to draw attention to himself but from what i pieced together it gave Michael that fire to turn it up a notch in order to land the win. Personally I think a cornerman should do everything in his or her power to lead their fighter to victory. I’ll go on record and say had that been myself in Atlas position I more than likely would’ve done the same thing. You do unbelievable things in the heat of the moment
I think these days a lot of trainers are afraid to tell their fighters the hard truths in the ring. Trainers rely upon being called in by a fighter for fight after fight, but the loyalty that once existed in no longer there. Trainers are contracted by fighters on a per-fight basis just for their camp in most cases, rather than a fighter having a full-time trainer. When this is not the case, I find it is usually because they fighter and trainer are friends and the trainer has absolute faith in the fighter.
These are both very bad scenarios for getting into the ring. For Bernard Hopkins' last fight, his long-time trainer was not brought on because he would not have let Hopkins go through with the fight. Hopkins knew Naazim Richardson would never let a fighter get into the ring just to get his head pounded in. Richardson is a hard man during the fight, too. When Naazim trains you, you work for him, not the other way around. And THAT is the dynamic a fighter should have with his trainer.
A trainer should have the mentality that you are his representative and therefore he is personally responsible for everything that happens in the ring. More importantly, that type of relationship puts the trainer in the position to tell his fighter what to do and expect his man to listen no matter what. 30 years ago, a trainer would threaten to stop a fight with their man WINNING if he wasn't listening to his corner. It wasn't about winning or losing, it was about maintaining the dynamic that you work for your trainer. You are nothing but the representative of the gym where you train.
And fighters were mostly happy with that arrangement, because they had LOYALTY to their gym. They knew that the man who trained them is the only reason they got to where they are, and they respected that. Moreover, they felt pride for being one of that man's fighters, and felt they were the proof of their trainer's worth. They didn't have these egos that they were the fighter and trainers existed to help them. It was the opposite, that the trainers were what mattered and a fighter was a blunt tool to be honed to sharpness by a skilled hand.
Yes the trainer fighter relationship has indeed changed. Fans don’t seem to realize how essential and valuable cornermen are. They have to be there
I agree. From what I’ve read I don’t think Cus was a fighter I think he may of had an amateur bout but his knowledge of boxing was amazing. There was a book written on him Confusing the Enemy: The Cus D’am Story. I haven’t read it but may it looks interesting
-We should have boxer and trainer chemistry in a detailed tendencies and capabilities list.
-Large list of tendencies and capabilities to give boxers realistic actions
-attributes should be as realistic as possible and we should be able to edit them offline for personal play.
-body part fatigue and this should tie into certain boxer's tendencies
-Historic rules( the different rules throughout boxing history)
-Size matter: negotiating ring sizes, gloves, etc;.
-Trainer pool: A list of trainers to choose from different tendencies
Great ideas man I like the historic rules idea and the trainer-boxer chemistry because a trainer is very very important to a fighter. It would be cool to pick and choose your trainer just think you could pick between people like Emmanuel Steward Ray Arcel Teddy Atlas Angelo Dundee and other names I’m probably forgetting. Awesome ideas
Fans should be able to edit and create trainers and add them to a pool and the boxing game universe should be able to use them or you can.
I don’t know if any of you fellas have seen the Jack Dempsey v Jess Willard 1919 title fight but it’s on YouTube. What I’m interested in finding out is it’s long been debated on Dempsey using loaded gloves. I know he inflicted a lot of damage on Willard and from the info I’ve read Jess claimed Dempsey’s gloves were loaded. He stated after the fight he picked up a small metal piece and kept it until he died. Just thought I’d bring this question to you fans
I never heard of the Jack Dempsey loaded gloves controversy but their was alot of shady mafia stuff happening in boxing back then.
Yes I agree. I don’t recall where I read it but it’s debatable. Boxing is a fantastic sport but sadly it’s always gonna be corrupt and what’s even sadder is very few in the position to help don’t do anything
I wish boxing had some sort of union so it would be easy to get boxers.
Do you think tendencies and capabilities should be a huge part of boxers make up especially to create accurate AI?
I think it should be a major part of the game, personally, and not just in the AI boxers. I think that tendencies should be a set of stats for your own fighters and you will be more/less effective at things which contradict your own tendencies. Just like a real boxer, you can do things that go against your normal patterns, but you will never be as good as you are at the patterns you've developed over years. Things like a true straight right vs looping right, tight hooks vs long hooks are obvious ones. Less obvious to casual fans, and something distinctly missing from Fight Night is combination tendencies. Boxers practice very specific combinations in order to perfect them, and when they throw in combinations, they only throw with high accuracy and/or power when throwing the combinations they're accustomed to. This is a very important aspect of boxing, because every boxer is limited to what they know in the ring, and almost no one has more than a few key combinations in their arsenal. Some fighters can't throw decent combinations at all, even at the highest levels of competition.
I'd like if there was a system that let you alter those tendencies over time, however. Professionals usually evolve and eliminate weaknesses over the years and this is in that vein. You should have a system in place to get better as certain punches, combinations, and movements.
Maybe. As much as I enjoyed Fight Night Champion my complaint with it was when you’re stunned by your opponent you didn’t get enough time and distance to break away and when you’re knocked down you had at least two tries to get up. If you were knocked down a third time it was almost impossible to get back up but I think this upcoming game should be the most realistic as possible
Yes, stand 8 has to be in a boxing videogame. Referees actually should have attributes and tendencies too.
Would it be sensible to feature the standing 8 count in the game to make the matches feel more like a real life bout? Or is that a little too much I don’t know how effective standing 8 counts would translate to a game though
Be careful about throwing around the term standing 8 count willy-nilly. It has a good place in youth boxing, but I don't even think even amateur adults boxing should include it in their rules. If a fighter is too out of it to protect themselves but won't fall down, the ref has the authority to stop the fight. On the other hand, to prevent the fight from being stopped, a fighter can always take a knee to get a free 8 count at the expense of a knockdown on the cards. A ref should never be able to simply give a boxer in trouble a breather at their discretion.
For those unfamiliar with this most-unused rule, a standing 8 count is used when a fighter is unable or unwilling to defend themselves or fight back. The ref halts the action and counts to 8, then determines if the fighter is fit to continue the fight. Essentially, it's the ref deciding at his own discretion that you've been hurt enough to count as a knockdown. Fights have been lost in the past due to refs unfairly crediting someone with a knockdown after literally one good punch. It's a bad rule, and instead every trainer should be teaching their fighters to suck it up and take a knee if they're hurt that badly.
In terms of the game, players should have the ability to take a knee to get an 8 count. It's not really something that's easy to abuse, because you're giving up a two-point round to do it, I think it's reasonable.
I think one of the best things you could include in the game is referee deductions for infractions. There's a lot of leeway for things you do in the ring, but in FNC you were able to shove an opponent continuously without any penalty. In a real boxing match. For those not in the know, shoving an opponent is similar in seriousness to rabbit punches, in terms of rules violations. Small ones get you a look, repeated small ones get you a quick warning, etc., but if you hauled of and shoved a guy at full power until they stumbled across the ring, you might get a stop in the action immediately, because of how illegal that is. That's what I saw happening in FNC, just full-power shoving over and over.
Yeah I figured it needs to be to add realism. I know liscensing fighters is expensive but if you could have some of your favorite fighters included in the roster who’d you have?
The Mayweather brothers and Mayweather
Julio Cesar Chavez
Chris Eubank Sr. And Jr.
The Charlotte brothers
The Peterson brother
I agree with you on Dempsey Louis and Chavez. I’d also love to see Marciano and Jake Lamotta and Ray Robinson. I highly doubt Wilder and Fury will be featured as they’d demand a huge payday but who knows. Believe it or not but Dempsey is the one that got me into boxing. I watched the footage of his fight against Willard on YouTube and been hooked ever since
Ali got me into boxing my uncle use to go to his training camps. My uncle and brother trained me. I was a decorated boxer who met many champs and their trainers.
That’s cool my grandfather on my mothers side grew up watching boxing with his dad in the 50s and 60s then he raised me to watch it along with wrestling and the ufc so I’ve been a fight fan a long time. Did you ever meet Teddy Atlas
Yes, plenty of times. He use to train Shannon Briggs when he first turned pro. I was sparring him at the time. Teddy Atlas was a very honest and insightful person.
I bet he was a nice guy I’d sure like to meet Teddy. You know he trained under the legendary Cus D’amato
Yes, I knew he was and Rooney
Yeah they put out a book on Cus awhile back that looks interesting I think it’s called Confusing the Enemy The Cus D’amato Story night have to read that sometime
I’ve always admired Teddy for having the guts to stand up against the corruption in boxing. Yes he can be loud and is sometimes too animated but you’ve got to appreciate his passion for this sport. You take away all the politics boxing is a truly great sport. I’m longing for the day boxing returns to the mainstream. At one time it was one of America’s biggest sports I hope those days return someday
Is there any footage of you fighting? I’d be interested in seeing some if that’s possible. You said you sparred with Briggs when you were around Teddy. I read something awhile back that Briggs said Teddy would call him up at odd hours and when Shannon answered the phone Teddy would go cold on him. Then the next day at the gym they’d argue about it. Did Shannon ever say anything to you about that. I read this off an article
No footage of us sparring. One of my old trainers lost the tapes. No, Shannon never really talked about Teddy outside of the gym. I knew Shannon since the amateur. I knew his original trainer Jimmy O.
Yeah I’ve heard a lot of polarizing things about Teddy some fighters love him some don’t. I know him and Donny Lalonde has a beef once
Yeah I’m sure you’ve got some wonderful memories of those days. I imagine it was cool meeting all those people I know I’d geek out if I did
I still can't believe all the guys I met who are famous contenders and champs of the past. The sparring sessions I saw or participate in were incredible.
I bet they were. I can’t imagine how it must’ve felt being in the midst of all that. Did you ever encounter De Hoya
I imagine you’ve got memories and moments that’ll last a lifetime. I’m actually looking at getting into the boxing business as a promoter. I realize there’s very few honest promoters out there but I’d like to be the exception. It’s a goal of mine to take and help some no name unknown fighter and guide them through the ranks to a world title. I come from a small town in Mississippi but I believe it’s possible. Boxing has made many a fighters dreams come true
Met De La Hoya in the amateurs a few times. He and Shane Mosley fought many of my team from the gym I was from.
There is a lot of room for promoters and managers. I want to train and manage my son after he finish school. I wanted him to finish school first. My son is 6'2 285 build like a Rhino.
Yeah that sounds like a plan I bet with your knowledge and experience you could definitely make him into a fierce competitor
Yeah man that sounds like a plan i bet with your knowledge and experience plus his height you could turn him into a fierce competitor. To me Rocky Marciano is and was the measuring stick that all fighters should aspire by. What he lacked in height he made up for with his fists. I get so aggravated when so called fans rip him and say all Rocky fought were bums or greats that were past their primes. Yes Joe Louis wasn’t in his prime when he fought Rocky but regardless Rocky went to fight. You don’t get to be 49-0 unless you’re good. I’ve always felt that Max Schmeling was an underrated great too. Max Baer included
See, I'm one of those fans who question a boxers competition and who they fought. I always ask who did Marciano fight before he fought the 5 or 6 known boxers he fought? I actually went to one of his gyms in Bayonne to spar a could of times. I liked Marciano but knew it was more to him. I couldn't be unbiased to certain things that help him be who he was.
Did you ever meet him
No, I wish I did. Many past champs hanged in New Jersey.
Yeah same here a friend of mine likes Marciano. I really wish boxing was easier to follow I just don’t understand why there’s four our so belts in each class it makes it so hard to track and it just beyond confusing. That’s one of the main reasons I think this sport has dropped in popularity
Plus I’m a young guy I was born in 1992 so I’m far removed from the golden eras of boxing. I wasn’t around to see Louis or Marciano or Frazier so all I’ve had to go on is watching footage. Hardly anyone I know follows boxing they’re mostly into the ufc I like and follow it too but to me I think boxing is the better sport. I tossed around the idea of subscribing to the Ring Magazine even though I’ve heard and read different views on it
Media is/was trying to destroy boxing to push MMA/UFC but it's hard to keep boxing down. This is why networks have invested so much in boxing again. UFC fighters are greatly underpaid. The boxing amateur scene isn't going any where.
The many organizations never bothered me because no matter what a great champ is a great champ and you are going to want all the belts, especially if mandatory are 8n place for belts. Most boxing fans know who the top guys are and the top main belts. Many of those guys love chasing belts.
I guarantee you if a boxing videogame had belt or organization creation mode fans would embrace it and create boxers who go after many titles.
It wasn't that the media tried to kill boxing and push UFC. Boxing did that all on its own. Promoters took every interesting fight and hid them away behind a veil of exclusivity--overpriced PPV. Most of the remaining fights were still limited to premium access channels HBO and Showtime. What remained was what 90% of would-be boxing fans got to watch. The absolute dregs. Fights that were only available to regular people because the promoters deemed them of too little value to put behind pay walls. It was like giving to charity, but your donations are clothes that you'd worn until they were barely clothes anymore. Of course boxing plummeted in popularity.
UFC, during the same period, was putting their most exciting fights on basic cable for everyone to see. Big knockouts, exciting flash submissions, everything that separated MMA from boxing was showcased with intention. When comparing the best of one sport against the worst of another, it's easy to know who will benefit from giving viewers only that perspective.
He may be a controversial figure to many, but Al Haymon has single handedly brought boxing back from the brink of extinction in the US. These other promoters hate him, try to make him sound like a bane to the sport and accuse him of putting together sham match ups. The truth is, his fights are far more competitive than most. But it was his determination to actually get people to WATCH his fights that has saved the sport so far. If Al Haymon didn't come along, I'd say boxing would've been dead by 2030, at least in the US. By then, all the PPV money would have dried up and the promoters still wouldn't have a clue what they did wrong.
Yes. As popular as UFC is those fighters deserve way better pay every time Dana White is asked about fighter pay he dodges the question or gives a halfhearted answer. I know at one time the Ring Magazine belt was regarded as the people’s champion I’m not sure if that still stands these days but I always liked ita design. I think the WBC belt is cool looking too
Yeah I think Haymon is doing a good job for the sport. All the fighters on his roster seem happy to be under his banner. I’m looking forward to the Errol Spence Mikey Garcia bout
Definitely looking forward to that fight.
A lot less enthused about Canelo fighting Jacobs next, though. Jacobs was barely competitive with GGG when they fought, and that's because he fought like it was his swan song. He blew past the weight limit intentionally because he wanted every advantage he could have against GGG. On top of that already unforgivable violation, he fought rough and dirty using a nearly 20lb weight advantage over GGG. It was as shameful as if Kovalev had fought a middleweight while still weighing in at 175.
I like Garcia he beat Broner which was a highlight. I don’t know if you’re aware but Fury signed with ESPN for Top Rank. I think this is a co promotion between Warren and Arum. I don’t know if the Wilder Fury rematch will happen with all these deals and negotiations being drug out. I don’t understand why it has to be this way
I think Fury would fight Wilder again, and Wilder has stated since the deal that he is willing to fight on any network. I honestly believe the reason the fight had not been made yet was because Fury had this big contract with ESPN in the works and he would've ruined it if he signed to fight Wilder before that. Now he has leverage, but more important he already has a contract for televised fights, win or lose.
Do you think it’ll be on ESPn or I imagine ppv again. Do you see Fury v Joshua or Wilder v Joshua ever happening
I'd love to see one of them thoroughly trounce Joshua, as they would in a fair match. It's very difficult to get a fair match against him, though. That said, I don't know, honestly.
I still find Fury's commitment to the sport very questionable. He hasn't proven to me that he's really going to stick with it. He fought two joke matches in his comeback, then fought Wilder in what might well have been a last hurrah if he had lost. I don't want him to retire, but he has more than his share of personal problems. On top of which, he's a traveler so you never really know what's going on in his head.
Wilder, ont he other hand, could retire at any time. He's had so many injuries, I'm amazed he hasn't talked about it a lot more.
Yeah I guess whatever happens happens
Idk if any of you fans are aware but Max Kellerman has a show every Friday on espn called Max on Boxing. Personally I enjoy it
I was not aware. Kellerman is a somewhat controversial figure in boxing in his own right. His has some polarizing opinions on both the fighting and business side of boxing, but I am usually inclined to agree with him over many commentators. He knows the sport well, even if he can be a little over opinionated. I prefer over opinionated over being in the pocket of promoters like some casters clearly are.
Ryan; I agree with you.
I think it’s usually 30 minutes
True Kellerman can and does show favoritism at times
What does everyone make of all this Fury and Wilder ordeal? Just saw where the rematch has been postponed to a later date I believe it’ll be for later on this year. Personally I don’t know what to make of all this seems to me they almost had a deal but it slipped up somewhere
The fight will be either after or for the last fight of Fury's 3-fight contract with ESPN. I had hoped that Fury would feel confident enough to fight Wilder next, but I saw this coming when the deal was announced. Fury doesn't think he can beat Wilder, so he drew out negotiations with Wilder to get a deal with ESPN signed and done, using public interest in that fight as leverage in negotiations. Now he has the deal, and he doesn't want to lose money on his fights by getting beaten right away and then having a contract for 2 more that he has to do for them.
Fury has always been a hype machine. It just so happens that he has mostly lived up to the hype. I don't know if he's afraid of Wilder, but he is definitely not confident he'll win, and because of that he's just drumming up all the hype he can manage and hoping to make big money on fights he's sure to win. I'd bet he actually fights 3 times this year like he said. 2 fights against chumps, and then maybe Wilder in December if we're lucky. Maybe he's just hoping Wilder gets hurt again so he can fight a 50%...maybe 40% Wilder like he did the first time.
Fury has a huge chance of losing a rematch devastatingly and doesn't want to ruin that contract. He better not pick a Luis Ortiz as a warm up fight. He's going to pick another blown up cruiserweight or bum.
Hopefully the rematch still happens it may not be soon but hopefully somewhere in the near future they’ll run it back. You can’t really blame Fury for wanting the big paydays and who knows this ESPN deal may turn out to be a good thing we’ll just have to see what happens
You’re probably right though I read where he may face Joseph Parker but it’s all speculation at this point
Parker would actually be a decent fight. He's a much tougher opponent than people are giving him credit for, and actually would stand a chance at beating Fury.
He only has two losses, BOTH of which were fights he probably should have won, but was cheated out of. Joshua cheated the whole fight and got away with murder in the ring, while Parker was seemingly warned repeatedly by the ref for just trying to stand too close.
Then against Whyte, he suffered a concussion in round 2 from a headbutt Whyte threw. The middle rounds were dominated by Whyte only because he was literally grabbing onto Parker and tossing him around the ring rather than throwing punches (remind you, Parker has a concussion this whole time). And at the end of round 12, Whyte was going down until he felt against Parker and held the ropes as the ref physically tried to shove him off for almost 10 full seconds to no avail in what SHOULD have been a disqualification.
Realistically, Parker may as well be undefeated, because he has never lost a legitimate match. Only fights in the UK where British fighters were given extremely unfair favoritism. The UK used to have a great reputation in boxing, but their heavyweight fights are making them look like Atlantic City at the height of mafia control.
I'd rather fight in Russia against their fighters than a British heavyweight on home soil right now. At least in Russia the only cheating is rampant and blatant steroid use. I'd rather deal with that than get into the ring where the ref threatens to throw you out of the match for fighting back.
Yeah I guess fury v Parker doesn’t sound too bad personally it doesn’t matter to me who wins though I’ll go on record and say I bet fury takes it. I also think AJ will destroy Miller in June. It just seems kinda odd how all this Wilder and Fury ordeal happened right around the same time Joshua announced his US debut
Any of you fellas gonna watch Canelo v Danny Jacobs in May? Realistically I think Jacobs can pull out the win I only hope the judges are fair if it goes to the scorecards. I still think GGG won that first bout with Canelo but to each their own
Oh I think Fury would win, but it's a good fight in my opinion. One of the best fights he could pick up, considering there's almost no heavyweights that are legitimately competitive with the top fighters in the division. Kubrat Pulev would be a decent draw, but he's been injured and if he gets healthy again, he's the WBA mandatory for Joshua so he'll be taking that fight.
As far as Joshua vs Miller, I'm going to be one of the few people you heard disputing the idea that it's an easy win for AJ. Miller isn't the strongest, he isn't the fastest, but he has BETTER endurance than AJ despite his weight. At least as long as he doesn't get in worse shape, he has the stamina to keep coming forward hard for 12 rounds, and AJ still doesn't have 12 hard rounds in his tank. He can also take a heck of a punch. Couple these things with the fact that AJ has been hurt by sub-par punchers more than once in his career, and I think Miller might just get the knockout around round 9 or 10--assuming the ref calls a fair fight.
As for Jcaobs, he doesn't stand a chance. He fought a competitive, but losing fight against GGG by publicly blowing the weigh-in just to get a weight advantage in his attempt to end GGG's undefeated record. He was shameless, and when he STILL couldn't win the fight it broke his spirit. He's not only the kind of guy who could only compete at that level by fighting as a light heavyweight (possibly even a cruiserweight, we'll never know, but he was BIG) against a middleweight, Jacobs has been a shell of his former self every since. So if even Jacobs at his most spirited, willing to throw the rules out the window for a victory couldn't beat GGG, what chance does he have fighting Canelo as a true middleweight?
Yeah agreed. For some reason I can’t seem to get on the Canelo bandwagon I know he’s talented and is a good fighter I just don’t know what to make of him. Been thinking about all the legendary trainers this sport has produced and it’s really odd that D’amatos peek a boo style isn’t used or taught more. I understand not every fighter can utilize that style but to each their own. What I had always hoped for was for people like Atlas and Rooney those that learned under figures like Cus would open up their own school or training facility and teach the secrets and tricks they learned. I feel like the fighter trainer relationship has took a nosedive in this present day
Fighters and trainers have almost no relationship these days. Roach and Pacquiao is the very last one as far as I know. Before that the last one was Emmanuel Stewart and Wladmir. But when you think about it, there's something else that has fundamentally changed in sports and boxing that makes for more distance between fighters and trainers.
Trainers don't own the gyms anymore. Not the way they used to. It used to be that you went to a particular gym to work with a particular trainer. Guys would move nearby the gym and train there every day, and even if their trainer wasn't working that day or had to focus on another fighter, they were always in that man's gym and they still used his training regimen. Now days, there are trainers that own gyms, but mostly they get hired on to go to a gym the fighter wants to train at.
I understand the merits of that system. Guys want to train in the climate they'll be fighting in. They also don't want to get on a plane and fly halfway around the world just days before the big fight. So they train where they will be fighting--usually. Then there's things like altitude training, guys want to get every edge they can and altitude training gives a VERY real edge, but honestly you can achieve the same results (or better) with modern technology so that doesn't hold the same value it once did. Sure, altitude is free access to performance enhancement, but if you can afford to fly somewhere new and live there for 8-12 weeks of training camp, you're not getting anything cheap or easy.
Yes. Are you aware of the new book that was published on Cus a few years ago? I believe it’s called Confusing the Enemy The Cus D’amato Story. I’d be very interested in learning more about him as he was a mysterious person. Yes the old classic boxing gyms of yesteryear are drying up but I guarantee there are still a few out there. I understand that whole location deal I wouldn’t want to travel halfway across the world just for it to not pan out or be a waste
will there be any betas for this game down the line
This whole Fury vs Wilder back and forth fiasco has really soured my hope for a rematch. I’m not saying it won’t ever happen but all this he said she said I think is killing the public’s interest in the fight. I don’t know what to make of all this really. I find it odd how rare boxing dvds are the ufc used to have tons of dvds and even the pubs would be on dvd. I know streaming is the current trend but I think dvds still have some sort of clout. It’d be super nice to own a box set of your favorite fights or fighter though
when the game come out?
The team is looking at a late 2019 window.
I know similar thing have been said before, but I something I think needs to be made clear is that EVERY controller has both buttons and analog sticks. That may seem pointless to say, but it has an important implication. There's no reason a game has to have a 'buttons or stick' control scheme.
I, personally, think that a buttons AND stick control scheme would make things a lot more interesting, and no modern gamer should have a problem with that (with the exception of the disabled). Consider the advantages you'd have as a developer is the face buttons and the stick have zero overlap, but STILL must both be used.
I think a system where face buttons modify movement is a good one (e.g. X + stick = a bigger step, or triangle + stick away = step away WHILE leaning away). The need to switch back and forth between buttons and the stick to perform more advanced footwork and then throw a punch would do a good job of emulating the challenge of doing these things in the ring.
This leaves the shoulder buttons free to be used as 4 different punch modifiers. Say a harder punch, a faster punch, a feinted punch, and a level-changing punch (starting aimed at head and going to body or vice versa). These are all extremely important parts of defeating an opponent's defenses in boxing, and SHOULD be included in the game. Having all 4 shoulder buttons free to perform them is the best option in my opinion.
Before anyone cries about how broken the power-punch button was in FNC and foresees that being much much worse if they implement my idea, that was because EA did bad job, not because a button was extra power is a bad idea. Every fighter throws their punches with varying power. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't even slow you down like it did in FNC. A punch thrown harder is NOT slower in any way, but it is often FASTER depending on the fighter. What a punch thrown with extra power does tire you out, and make it MUCH harder to throw combinations, if not impossible. Anyone that ever stepped into the boxing ring can tell you that throwing just THREE consecutive punches at 100% power can make you exhausted. I mean so tired you can't throw any more punches with snap for the entire round levels of exhaustion. That's how much it takes out of a fighter to throw combinations at 100% power. The other thing is does is make that one arm really tired, really fast. Your arms don't get tired equally, they get tired based on how much energy you're using. Jabs take very little energy, but power jabs take a lot more. Throw too many left hooks and you can't even jab. Power hands get tired faster because you're using more energy. For every 10 times you throw a jab, one power hand shot uses about the same amount of energy (assuming these are normal jabs). and that's not even taking into account the factor of your legs, which also fatigue much faster on power-hand shots due to the amount of hip rotation produced.
The point is, throwing with full power wears you out very very quickly, and must be used sparingly. A single punch at full power, even if it's at the end of a combination, drains you probably 5x as much as a normal single punch does (a normal punch not being light, mind you), and throwing two full-power shots in combination probably drains you as much as throwing 20 punches. It might sound insane to most of you, but that's the reality of being in a boxing ring.
Also, I mentioned a button for a faster punch. A faster punch is only barely faster than a normal punch to the target, but the important thing is your hand comes back significantly faster because you didn't put your weight behind it. Mostly, this is used in boxing to throw consecutive punches with the same hand, because you can bring that hand back and throw it again before the opponent sees the second shot coming. It is also nearly a must for double and triple-jabbing, because otherwise you'll be too slow throwing the next jab and get caught with a punch. The other use this technique has is to force an opponent to throw a punch back. A punch thrown light and fast means you can defend yourself much sooner than normal. So you can throw a fast punch, parry an opponent's shot, then throw a counter in rapid succession.
ON THE SUBJECT OF CONTROL-STICK PUNCHES!
For the love of god do not use the system in FNC. It was the worst possible system I could ever think of. The need to flick the stick straight up or straight down with VERY SLIGHT deviation to the left or right made it impossible to reliable throw jabs, straights, or uppercuts. For those punches, I always switched over to the face buttons because I couldn't guarantee I wouldn't throw the wrong punch when in the heat of a fight. PLEASE for the love of boxing use gesture controls for the punches. Simple quarter-turn gestures are all you need to add to ensure a full range of punches. I'll give you my ideal controls below:
Jab head: Flick up
Jab body: Flick down
Straight: Flick right
Straight body: Flick left
Left hook head: Left quarter up
Left hook body: Left quarter down
Left uppercut head: Up quarter left
Left uppercut body: Down quarter left
Right hook head: Right quarter up
Right hook body Right quarter down
Right uppercut head: Up quarter right
Right uppercut body: Down quarter right
As you can see, this control scheme not only allows you to throw a full array of punches with only quarter-turn gestures, it eliminates the need for a body-punch modifier button. Again, this allows full freedom to implement the punch-modifier shoulder buttons I recommended in my above post.
I know I said right-hook and left hook, but a power-hand hook to the head is often referred to as a 'looping' shot. Really, this is just a power-hand hook, just no one calls it that anymore.
An overhand shot is a distinctly different punch that the control scheme above does neglect, I realize, and maybe a solution could be true half-turn gesture. (like up - half-right/up-right-down for an overhand right). It's not a very effective punch most of the time, and just a niche tool for some fighters to get a punch around a very specific type of defense, so making it a niche-use gesture seems acceptable to me.
Obviously, players would be able to modify the control schemes freely to make their own play style easier for them. This isn't about making some punches harder to throw than others. I think quarter-turns are essentially as easy as flicking the stick, but if I had a character that focused on hooks, I'd use quarter-turns on my straight punches just to get the hooks off a little faster, knowing it would make my jab slightly less effective. If you actually DO throw and overhand shot most of the time, you can set that in your control scheme, but then throwing a straight is going to be difficult.
That's the same kind of trade off such a fighter faces in the ring. If you're going to throw a ton of hooks, you're already not throwing a lot of jabs. If you always throw you right hand over the top, then you aren't good at throwing it straight, because you've trained yourself not to.
I’m just hoping for the most realistic boxing game ever and that the gameplay is the best it can be. Is it sensible to want to fight for the abc titles in the game such as the wba wbc WBO IBF? I also think fighting for the Ring Magazine belt would be cool
I was just wondering if any of you fight fans out there still read or have read the Ring Magazine? I’m thinking about getting a subscription but just thought I would see what everyone’s general thoughts of it are. I know the web is a big information site but I think it’s cool to have and refer to a boxing magazine and it’s beyond amazing how this magazine has been going on since the 20s. So if anyone out there can help me out much appreciated
Get it. I like it and it's a great collectors item.
Hey man thanks for the reply I wish they’d feature all the old Ring mags from the 40s 50s so on so on. Be cool to have. What do you like best about it
It would be dope if this game had magazine covers and media articles. It would give the game another element of a wow factor.
That’s actually a pretty cool idea dude really different plus I’d like to be able to win the alphabet belts or the Ring belt. I don’t think those have ever been in a boxing game before but it’d just add to the realism factor. I hope this game has a lot of old school fighters it’s probably a long shot but I’d love to see Gene Fuller or Carmen Basilio featured
Sugar Ray Robinson
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr
Roger "Black Mamba" Mayweather
Tony Ayala Jr
Ted Kid Lewis
Donald "The LoneStar Cobra" Curry
Joe "Barbados" Walcott
Apologies, I know I went nuts, it's my boxing tick, however any or all would be a sweet challenge to face. I love the lighter wgts, they have the best skills & throw punches for 12-15 rds depending on the era. Should be a great game!
Hey man awesome awesome list!! Glad to see more love for the old school!! Thought I was the only one lol. Yeah I definitely agree on Willie Pep Sam Langford Kid Chocolate and Stanley Ketchel. I’d love to see Carmen Basilio and Gene Fuller added. I’m a young guy in my 20s but I’m a huge old school fan. I feel like modern day fans need to and should know these legends. This game is gonna be sweet. By the way don’t apologize for geeking out on boxing I do too!!
I meant to say Gene Fullmer not Fuller my bad but anyways I like your list. I like the fact you included some old school names I’m in total agreement and may I also add Jim Jeffries and Gene Tunney Max Baer and Max Schmeling. Modern day fans need to and should know these legends and by the way don’t apologize for geeking out over boxing I do it myself lol
There should be a ton of options for fans especially the hardcore fans looking for realistic results in matches. We should have era specific stamina as an option. Certain boxers should have greater endurance or stamina depending on the era they are from(optional to closely balance).
Career wear and tear should play a part in boxers career especially if not proper rest or time to heal after injuries.
Yeah that’s so true realism is a huge factor
You guys think a boxers corner should play a central role in the game? Say like you are getting pounded real bad do you think your corner should step up and call off the fight? I think it’d add realism to the game I tend to agree on the roster it can be and is expensive but no matter if or who ends up on the roster or who gets excluded some folks will still complain. Can’t please everyone I’m just happy and excited a game is coming after all
I hope this game features in fighting I’ve always been drawn to the fighters that just keep coming and add pressure to the opponent. That’s why I’m a big Jake Lamotta fan as he was one of them that used that style to his advantage.
I hope we are not forced to fight a certain way or style. It should be as natural as possible to real life. Boxers should use their abilities to win fights and should not be forced to fight an unnatural way by default.
An Ali type boxer shouldn't fight like Tyson if it's not in their skill set or tendencies.
Yes and I hope we have the option to fight within the clinch like in real life. One of the things I didn’t like about Champion was the holding you had to just stand there until the opponent let you go so I hope in this game you have a way to break out. In fighting and controlling distance are a must
FNC had essentially no clinches. Holding was a total joke because the game was coded so you couldn't grab an opponent unless they were in a neutral position (ie not punching OR actively moving). Which basically meant you coudln't hold unless your opponent was lazy or out of stamina. I'm not a big fan of holding in boxing, but everyone knows that a hurt fighter needs to hold on to recover and in FNC that was really not an option. I'm not saying that holding should be anywhere close to automatic, but you should definitely be able to push in and force a clinch even against someone who is trying to punch.
Which brings me to the second point about fighting inside. The reason FNC did not allow you to fight on the inside is because the game engine was designed from the ground up with two unforgivable flaws for any game trying to call itself a 'sim'.
1. There was a 'minimum' distance between fighters which they coded into the engine to prevent bodies from clipping (overlapping) onto each other.
2. The engine id not have room for punching animations to be deflected or interrupted. This means that you physically could not smother punches. If you did not perform a 'block' or evade, then the punch was counted and connecting. A head punch that landed on the shoulder when you dodge or block counted as a missed shot. A punch that landed on the shoulder just because it happened to be in the way counted as a connected head shot.
A very important aspecct of inside fighting is smothering punches--both your opponents AND your own. A fighter without good inside fighting abilities will smother their own punches, while an experienced inside fighter knows how to land in those quarters. And side has nothing to do with it. A shorter fighter or one with shorter arms does NOT just have an advantage inside, it's a matter of practice and technique, not dimensions. Bernard Hopkins was amazing on the inside despite having some of the longest arms you've ever seen.
The point is that punches don't land just because they weren't explicitly blocked or dodged. An arm, a shoulder, anything that gets in the way stops a punch. Just as importantly when it comes to the inside is that punches can be stopped by more than just blocking the fist as it comes. You tie up the ARMS more than anything. You tie up one arm and punch with the other, or you get your elbows inside of theirs so you can get an uppercut through the middle while they can't land anything even from the outside.
You don't need to have that level of control in the game, because I think it was take away from the experience in much the same way that UFC games will never be an enjoyable experience. What you need to understand as a developer is that fighters need to have experience in that type of fighting to be successful, but even a successful and highly skilled inside fighter only lands a small number of punches in those circumstances because it is just incredibly difficult to do. Not to mention how tired it makes you.
Ryan; you made some valid points but UFC clearly made known that clinching was doable but purposely not done. Boxing should be as realistic as a player makes it within the rules. Referees and rules should dictate certain things outside of skills and strategy.
There shouldn't be any excuses for game developers in these day and age of sports gaming; especially when it comes to sim gaming as an option.
You have to remember that clinching is fundamentally against the rules in boxing. Holding onto an opponent is an infraction, which is why the ref breaks up the fighters once holding is fully initiated. Holding while hitting is a MAJOR infraction no matter how much fighters do it. So what we're REALLY talking about in a boxing game is managing inside-fighting, which has no clinching involved.
Consider that without actual clinching, inside fighting culminates into just a few moves:
Head position left/right (for those unfamiliar, you protect your head on the inside by pushing it against the opponent's shoulder/chest)
Smothering (pushing on their arms WITHOUT holding so they can't punch)
Shoulder shove (creates a brief gap between the fighters to throw a clean head shot)
That's it. The rest is the same as the rest of boxing. Punching, weaving, stepping, strafing, none of that changes except that they are all difficult or impossible to do on the inside, which is why you can gain an advantage by fighting this way. Controls wise, most of those fundamentals of inside fighting don't need to be translated into the game as controls.
Leaning is just holding the movement stick toward the opponent even after you are pressed against them. Leaning on an opponent isn't some special condition where the opponent would have to 'break free'. They could just make a quick step back or to the side and they've gotten away as simple as that. That is literal realism. Every fighter has the option of either leaning back into their opponent or moving away at any moment.
Head position could easily be managed using weave controls. In reality, you have to weave in order to reposition your head anyway. Weave left to position left and vice versa.
Smothering may require a special input, but my recommendation is that if the clinch button needs to be held down in order to hold on, then tapping the clinch button would smother while on the inside. This would have a high probably of resulting in fighters 'tying up' and being broken up by the ref, which is precisely what happens in real life. When you try to smother an opponent, you tend to get tied up and require a clean break.
Shoulder shove could be managed using the same command as quick-step. A quick-step forward when already leaning on an opponent isn't going to step forward, and what does it do? It pushes them back a couple inches. A shoulder shove is really just a small, explosive push with your legs, so once again this is just realism at its most real.
There you have it, all of the necessary controls for inside fighting mapped out without adding a single additional command to the game.
As for any of the small maneuvers that really make someone a master of inside fighting? That's what stat blocks are for. It's really no different to make a fighter more able to land punches or defend while fighting inside than there is in making a fighter better at moving their feet. I could write you a 50 page essay on the details of footwork. Footwork is infinitely more complex and meaningful than clinching could ever be, but no one would be remotely happy if you had to map out controls for all those details. No, let fighter statistics determine finer details. This is a game, so leave actual controls for the metaphorical broad strokes.
Yes there really is no excuse for lack of realism with the technology of today this could and should be the best boxing game. It’s a real shame we’ve had to wait nearly a decade for a new one. I’m hoping it’ll be a knockout no pun intended
I was watching the presser for Canelo-Jacobs last night and I have to say I’m impressed with Eddie Hearn. I think he’s one of the modern day best promoters he doesn’t sugarcoat just tells it as it is. As an aspiring promoter myself I’m gonna follow that formula. I heard he’s planning on getting Wilder and Joshua to agree to a unification bout later this year
Did anyone catch the Garcia-Spence bout Saturday? I missed it but I heard and read it was total domination by Spence. Do you think he’ll face Manny next I’m kinda lukewarm on that one but time will tell. Heard today Wilder announced he’s staying with Showtime and is facing his mandatory. I really hope Eddie Hearn can still try to get the Wilder-Joshua fight made. I definitely wanna see that one
Please make the online great. being able to make your own character and stuff !
Any update on the release of this game? I'm so desperate craving a new boxing game, UFC 3 is terrible and the career mode is repetitive. As long as this game has a good gaming engine and a solid career mode then you'll be getting my cash. Not even bothered if you don't feature a full roster, fighters can be downloaded anytime.
Has anyone out there read Angelo Dundee’s book My View From the Corner? Are there any good boxing books you fellas can recommend I read? I’m looking to expand my boxing library. I read Raging Bull years ago
The Best Fight Night Was When You Were Able To Workout And Give Your Character a little Boost Before Each Fight it Made You Feel like Every Fight Was Different depending on The attribute a person chose to work on. Mix That One Thing With online play have different or the same workouts in split screen or on a timer it would keep the game from being so repetitive and win where all the other fight nights Games Failed
I know this roster won’t be perfect because nothing ever is but I definitely think it should include Flyod Patterson. Watching footage of him on YouTube I tend to think he was an underrated gem and in my opinion I believe he has a place on the p4p list.
PLEASE do us creative people justice and have a bunch of customizable options. Real boxer editing and a huge create a boxer mode. It doesn’t really need a career mode if you can change the belts in a title match or something. Actually title matches would be cool to have like old fight night games. Fight night champion gameplay was nice pretty loose
Hopefully this game will be as good as Fight Night Champion. Literally waiting for a fighting game as dynamic as boxing but yet as fun that I wanna aim to be ranked in the top 100. UFC 3 is a very good game, but nothing captures the feel of dodging and weaving with the analog sticks. Also in UFC games the length of a fighters arms doesnt matter as much as in boxing for some reason. But all I want to know is when is this game coming out because I've been waiting 4 whole years.
Also please can you get Tyson Fury, Rigondeaux, Rocky Marciano, Henry Cooper, David Haye, Lomanchenko and Prince Naseem Hamed in the game?
Honestly I don’t think they’re even working on this game anymore sad thought but it’s almost 100% a true statement
I agree with you. Think that game is dead.....
I agree on Tyson Fury and Marciano they should definitely be included. I wanna see Joe Louis Jack Dempsey featured as well. Cooper is a good choice too. I’d love to see Carmen Basilio featured I feel like this game should have a good dose of old school fighters. I believe some of the styles they displayed could even be used by modern day fighters as well. It’s beyond sad it’s taken this long to get a boxing game off the ground but I’m proud to see that changing finally
I think what you should do for career mode make weigh in and press conference and make the character do runs and eat to make your guy make weight and make it to where he can move up or down more than 1 weight class
I think there should be a promoter mode where u sign fighters and play the fighter and fighters like canelo and Anthony Joshua if their happy with their promoter they can be nearly impossible to have them buyout and sign them and free agents are go to who offers them more money i know its too much but that would be a interesting mode and if u don't schedule them fights they start to get unhappy. I also think all 4 title organizations WBA,WBO,IBF,WBC Belts. Also have all weight classes thats something fight night champion didn't have they didn't have super middleweight they added them to middleweight and they didn't have crusierweight it would perfect if u guys add this stuff and to inform you i think fight night is coming back after UFC 4 so make sure u guys do a great job with this game.
I watched both De Hoya-Mosley fights recently and it’s beyond me how the judges scored the rematch in Shane’s favor. From what I could see and piece together Oscar clearly won the rematch. To quote what Atlas said about the Pacquiao-Horn fight I think the judges gave Mosley a ‘’participation trophy’’. It’s beyond me how some judges manage to keep their job over and over. I know this sport has a history of being corrupt it’s just sad that very little is done to prevent it
imma very detailed person when it comes to boxing i think there should be a choice to pick your color tape between black,red and blue and don't forget white
If you give me(us) Joshua,Fury and Wilder, you get my money!
Hey Matt I definitely agree with you Wilder, Fury, and Joshua should be included plus all the great legends of bygone eras as well
Round 4 round , you need to put canelo , amir Khan , Anthony Joshua , croferd and manny more
Guys this probably isn’t the right venue to post here but I don’t know where else so I’ll give it a shot: myself and a friend are debating on starting a boxing and mma podcast in the coming months. It’ll basically be a show where we talk about upcoming fights, fighters on the rise or decline, and discuss the past legends and legends in the making. This show won’t shy away from exposing the corruption in these sports. All I am is a passionate fight fan I’m not a fighter or a trainer or whatever I’m just a fan. But I feel as a fan this podcast can be a voice for boxing and mma like no other. So if any of you guys on this forum wanna talk about this great sport we call the sweet science please please get in touch with me
Starting to doubt whether this game is goinna see the light of day. Has their been any recent news/updates re: production or a release date?
I’m about to email this site and find out!!! Will let you guy know soon!!!!
Guys I emailed round 4 round and they stated they’re still working on the game and a new update will be announced soon as possible
Yah I was told that in February because I caught a leak they posted on their Instagram story they stated there would be a few updates including graphics, fighters, and maybe even gameplay. It’s now 3 months later and haven’t heard or seen anything. This games not coming out for at least another 2 years if they even plan on putting it out still.
They told me in the email they sent they’re still very much working on it and they’d have an update as soon as possible but like you said who knows. I offered my suggestions and wishlist for the roster and improvements I had but got no reply. Who knows man
Fellas I just saw we lost Harold Lederman today. He was 79. Bert Cooper yesterday as well. Sad to see the legends of this great sport go
True man. RIP.
I like the roster you have already got. There are some big names missing though and considering this is an indie game, I don’t expect to see them. So as long as there is a SUPER in-depth character creation and sharing feature, I would be super happy with. P.S. wonder if there is any new up dates?
Considering this game features Henry ‘’Homicide Hank’’ Armstrong on the roster I feel like this game needs to feature heavily on the old guard of legends I’m talking fighters that have never been on a boxing game before. Fighters such as Willie Pep, Gene Tunney, Gene Fullmer, Carmen Basilio, Rocky Graziano, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, so on and so on. I realize licensing isn’t cheap but if it can be arranged I’d love to see fighters like these and many more included.
A boxing game is so wanted right now .. put money into advertising with a good campaign . Few decent fighters if budget doesn't give you a canelo ,manny etc. This thing will sell.. just have to advertise it right..
I just found this and I'm so excited. I actually fired up my PS3 last night just to play Fight Night. Are you planning on adding the interface where we can can upload pics to create our own boxers? The roster could be limited if we had this option. Can't wait for this to come to PS4.
Hey Ricky I emailed them the other day and they told me they’ll be announcing an update on the game as soon as possible. I really hope it delivers Man it’s been way way too long since we’ve had a boxing game
There's a chance, of Polish boxers appearing? I mean, Polish boxers are not respected in fight night games, only Tomasz Adamek was on Fight Night Round 4 and that's all.. I would definetly look at this title, when atleast one, or two polish boxers would appear.
Like - Krzysztof Glowacki [wbo world cruserweight champion]
or legends like Andrew Golota? Thank you.
Do you fellas think Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano should be on this game? I feel like they should not only am I huge fans of both of them but those guys are legends and I think the younger fans should know who they are. I was very impressed by Wilder last night I thought he did really well and it makes me wanna see the Fury rematch and the Joshua fight that much more
What we need in this game:
-Huge roster of the greatest legends and today's greatest like Ali, Tyson, Mayweather, Robinson, Wilder, Joshua, GGG, Canelo
-60FPS is a MUST. It highly affects input latency
-The most robust boxer creator ever seen in a boxing game. Let us customize everything we can in a boxer along with having name audio like Fight Night. Customization is a BIG thing for me in sports games.
- Control scheme similar to Fight Night Champion. It was damn near perfect.
I want this to surpass Fight Night Champion in every way. I have faith in you guys. Don't let us down.
Hey Curtis, from what I’ve seen in the roster so far they have included Buster Douglas and Henry Armstrong so I firmly believe Tyson will be included. Yeah Fight Night Champion to me was so enjoyable but with this game I’m hoping it features a heavy dose of legends. Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano and a host of others roped me into boxing and I’d like todays fans to know these guys. I want this game to be the absolute best boxing game out there. People like to say boxing is dead or is dying well I hope this game helps to put that theory to rest
Thanks! Trav I want the same things.
Yeah man totally agree. Fellas idk if any of you follow or followed WWE. I used to for years but not anymore but anyways we lost Ashley Massaro the other day. She was 39. I really liked her. I remember when she made her debut in 2005 had no idea it ended the way she did. Sad sad sad. But yes I agree this boxing game needs the legends and loads of em
You guys should ass this heavyweight fighter Dominick Guinn he is slept on
There should be an option to fight for the lineal championship as well as the Ring Magazine and sanctioning bodies belts. Commentary should be as realistic and descriptive as possible. Us boxing fans deserve the best of the best
Please consider putting Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Gene Tunney, Max Baer, Max Schmeling into the game. They are legends and deserve to be included
Any you guys think Max Baer should be included on the roster? I’ve been watching footage of him and I can safely say I rank him as an ATG. I truly feel like this game should feature a good dose of legends fighters that have never been in a boxing game before. They’ve included Henry ‘’Homicide Hank’’ Armstrong. No reason other legends can’t be featured
Hey Tim L I understand your frustration and just thought I’d mention I emailed the makers of this game the other day and from what they told me they’re still working on the game and will put out updates as they become available
True you guys are correct who knows man
Hey Trav who the hell is Tim L and the other guy you are talking to.......????????
I never thought that in a forum of video game a message would be deleted while I was very polite but I expressed a different view of things.There are bigger problems in life and supposed this is our hobby and doing for fun.
Nevertheless, I wish this game to be perfect because a boxing game is missing for a long long time.
Maybe I see you in the ring for some rounds.
Hey Fog they were two guys discussing when or if this game will come out and idk why they got deleted. Yeah man I’m not offended at all by your comment you have every right to your opinion as I do mine. Yeah man I agree this game should be perfect us fight fans deserve it and it’s greatly needed. Who are some of your fav fighters? I like Dempsey, Marciano, Louis, Frazier, Robinson, Lamotta, so on so on. Also like Teddy Atlas too. Feel free to hit me up again. Nice talking to you. It’s sad I have to come to a video game forum just to talk boxing but none of my friends follow the sport like I do
1. Current Belt Holders (WBC,WBO,IBF,WBA) including top 10-15 Contenders.
2. Graphics, Graphics, and Graphics, I cant stress it enough.
3. Fighters Throw Actual Compubox Numbers from their latest 12rd bout.
4. Fighters are true to their punch tendencies and punch selection.
5. Body Punching Should do more Stamina Damage and Slow fighters down.
6. New Venues
7. Boxer Customization
8. Women Boxers, Just like UFC has their women Fighters in their game.
9. Better Punch and Combination animations
....The list can go on but those would be my personal focus points, and Those are what the Boxing Community will Expect when It comes to a New Boxing games for Fans.
8. Boxer IQ Rating
I wholeheartedly agree this game needs to be as good as possible boxing fans truly truly deserve it. Anyone out there planning on watching Fury v Schwartz tonight? I say Tyson wins
Any you fellas out there fans of Flyod Patterson?? Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe he was the first fighter in boxing history to win and regain the heavyweight title plus he was one of Cus D’amatos’s fighters. I feel he doesn’t get the respect he deserves and I feel like he should be featured on the roster
Yeahhh man lol this game is never coming out that's why they deleted my comment. And im not being extreme guys I work hard and have a life but I am currently an active fight night champion player on the remastered xbox 1 version. there is a huuuuge online community still, very active, facebook online fight clubs, etc etc. All I said was that even if they were just "working on " this game if they were for real, we would have much more information on it. By far. This game is never coming out they have a webpage that is here to collect subscribers and visits
Hey man I know how you feel they had no reason to delete your comment what you said was spot on and I agree wholeheartedly. Who are some of your favorite fighters? I’m a big Rocky Marciano Joe Louis Jack Dempsey fan. Also like Fury and a host of others
Thank you guys for posting and a special thanks to you Trav for being a consistent poster. We appreciate you.
No problem I’m a huge fight fan. Nice to see others feel the same as me. Boxing was and will always be a fantastic sport
Will there be a create a fighter on this game? If so, will the options (fighting style, looks, gloves, trunks,) be accessible?
what do you guys think it would take to do away with all these belts in boxing? I’m talking about all these alphabet belts that mean absolutely nothing. There should be one belt per division and the Ring magazine belt awarded at special bouts. As wonderful and fantastic as this sport is I often find myself so frustrated with it
I'm ok with 3 belts but the others are an over saturation in boxing. I was ok with it in the past especially when you have over a hundred boxers in a weigh class waiting to get a shot at one title. As a person who actual boxed. I enjoyed collection trophies or belts from the so-called top guys. Undisputed champ carries weight for many boxers.
i fully support this game and appreciate the time and effort being made to make this happen......would also encourage positive comments about the game and it's development.
Thanks ClubSteve! The team really appreciates fans who are understanding.
Yeah to me I’ve always felt like with too many belts it’s hard to really know who the true champion is. That’s why I feel if they trimmed down the belts issue this sport would be easier to follow. Anyways I hope the roster on here is stacked I truly enjoyed Fight Night Champion but some of my faves were missing
Has anyone read Teddy Atlas’ book? I’ve been meaning to read it but thought I’d see what everyone that has read it opinion. I know Teddy’s a polarizing figure in boxing but I’ve always admired him and you cannot dent the dude loves and knows boxing
No, I haven't. I know Teddy Atlas from when I use to spar Shannon Briggs in West Orange, New Jersey.
Yes I bet that was a wild experience I’ve always been impressed with Teddy’s cornerman skills. I’d absolutely love to be in a fighter’s corner someday. I don’t believe a trainer has to of had Fighting experience but be a good analyzer
Yes, Teddy was very knowledgeable about many things. He would urge sparring partners to push his fighters harder.
Yeah, many great trainers never boxed but we're students of the sport and had a great understanding of ir.
Yes being a cornerman is something I would love to do but I’ve always wondered what’s the best way to go about it by getting involved. Angelo Dundee I admire too
Let's face it this game ain't coming out end of.
Hey guys I’m looking to get into the boxing industry and I would appreciate any advice or suggestions on the best way to go about it. My goal is to be a promoter someday but I feel I need experience with the sport a good while before opting for a license. Being a cornerman sounds promising and I would absolutely love to help coach and be in a fighter’s corner. I must point out I’m vision impaired so I realize I lack fight experience but I feel I can offer good insight and passion to help a fighter reach the top. Any help you fellas could give me I’d truly truly be grateful
You have to go to gyms and fights. This is where your experience will come from.
Hey thanks for the reply I appreciate it would you say meeting people is the key?
Thanks for the reply would you recommend attending amateur or pro fights or both and trying to meet people from the inside? I’m from a small town in Mississippi and and boxing events are usually in the southern part of the state but I’ll try to meet folks that’ll help me find my way if there anything else I should do or need to know please let me know
Thank you for the reply would you recommend attending amateur or pro fights or both and trying to meet people is the key? I’m from a small town in Mississippi and most boxing events are in the southern part of the state but I’ll try to meet folks that’ll help me find my way in the industry. I also would like to say thanks and I appreciate all the conversations I’ve had on this forum. It’s so nice to see folks coming together to talk boxing I wish most of the people I know were fans and follow it like I do but anyways I appreciate everybody that replied to me. I hope I’ve said things that made sense. It’s been a blast
I’m hoping this game features a lot of the old school legends I see they included Henry ‘’Homicide Hank’’ Armstrong on the roster so hopefully they’ll include more people such as Max Baer Max Schmeling etc. don’t get me wrong I respect some of today’s fighters but the legends is where I’m at home. What got me into boxing was watching the Jack Dempsey v Jess Willard and Marciano and Louis bouts on YouTube so those guys mean a lot to this fight fan
Nice to see a game of this style is back but for it to be really perfect it would be necessary to add women to the list of Boxers, it is the only things that I wait.
i would like to see ken buchanan & scott harrison & alex arthur & benny lynch & ricky burns & josh taylor & dick mctaggart added to the roster
Pacquiao Better Be on the Cover with 2 Belt's
Yes I agree Pacquiao should be on the roster. I’m only hoping this game is the most realistic game ever. Boxing fans deserve it. I still play Fight Night Champion but I hope this one is out soon. Roster definitely needs to be stacked both with legends and today’s greats
Has there been any updates to this game in progress? Its been a while since we last heard anything.
The game is still being worked on; being that this is an indie company they have to be more strategic because their budget isn't a major company budget like EA.
Thanks for the confirmation, I was a little worried about this title for a moment. I completely understand the reason and i'm glad to know you guys are focusing on making it as great as possible. I remember the first boxing game I played was knockout kings 2000 on the N64. We haven't had a new boxing title since 2011, which is a shame due to all the rising talent that's in the ring now! I will definitely support this day one when its released!
Hey Trey last I heard it’s still being worked on but I agree with you it’s been a good while since the last update. As long as it’s taking there’s no excuse and it should be as good as possible
As long as you guys get Rocky Marciano Jack Dempsey Joe Louis on the roster I’m good. Fury would be nice too but no big deal if that’s not possible
I'm hoping we'll get some good names but I'm still good if we're limited. We could recreate many of them in an in depth Create a Boxer mode with facial and body modification sliders of the sort. My biggest concern is the animations and mechanics, those two can make or break the game.
Don't forget about Polish fighters:
- Andrzej Gołota
- Tomasz Adamek
- Krzysztof Włodarczyk
- Krzysztof Głowacki
- Dariusz Michalczewski
- Adam Kownacki
And legends too:
- Jerzy Rybicki
- Leszek Drogosz
- Jerzy Kulej
- Antoni Kolczyński
- Krzysztof Kosedowski
Yes I agree on the animation and mechanics realism is an absolute must. I’d also love the option of fighting for the sanctioning body belts and the Ring magazine belt. Having the option of 15 or 12 rounds to give a real fight feel would be an added bonus. I know this is an indie game and the budget isn’t the same as a high rated company but if all possible I’d love to see some legends on the roster thatve never been on a boxing game before. I’m talking fighters like Jerry Quarrt Ken Norton Gene Fullmer Carmen Basilio etc. I’m super excited about the game though. I’ve almost wore out Fight Night Champion!!!
When is the release date for the Round
4round boxing game come 2019 or 2020
Last I heard they’re still in development but I agree with you it needs to come out ASAP
Please include Feinting
I seen on their Facebook page that the game has been delayed due to unfortunate events but they’re still working on it
Yes, Trav...Thank you.
"Unfortunately due to unforeseen circumstances development is taking a little longer that expected, however we are still working hard on the game and will have more updates soon." What are your thoughts on our Andy Ruiz Jr ?
I think your Andy Ruiz looks a lot like the real one. If you can get Fury, Wilder, and all the other legends I mentioned that’d be great. Keep us posted
Yes, will do. We apologize not being as interactive. We are trying to be as transparent as possible with this game.
I remember you from the FN forum. You work for EA?
Understandable it’s so nice you guys care and want to give us fight fans the absolute best boxing game possible. If I may for the commentary team I’d suggest at least reaching out to Teddy Atlas. I’ve always enjoyed his insight on the sweet science